Amazon has the 20gb PS3 up for sale right now, and they are (rumor) putting the 60gb up for sale at midnight, I Just got one (well I think I did, LOL as I was just checking the dates and it said I could verify my order before placed, but I already got a confirmation email). It does say they are out of stock, but then when you put it in your cart, it says it will ship Nov. 27th!