I bet Dish's contract allows them to sell the WP & SP without ESPN because they don't do much national advertising/promotion for those two packages. For a long time, Welcome Pack was only available by calling, and not all the reps even knew about it. It has been brought out of the shadows a bit by us in the forums here, but I bet the average Dish customer has no idea about it unless they call up and want to cancel or downgrade programming significantly and then the rep might offer it. So Verizon might even say if Dish can do that, they can too. Because I bet Verizon won't heavily promote their new package either. And, yes, while the price is not the lowest - when I consider that the packages include fiber optic broadband, it doesn't seem too bad. I'm sure it serves a goal of keeping someone with Verizon's video service rather than dropping to internet only.