922 R.I.P.

356B, I don't think you understand the Hopper/Joey concept. You seem to be viewing it as another ViP box.

Hopper does the heavy lifting. Joey tends to the TV end. And if you wanted to split the output from a Joey you could feed more TVs but they'd all be watching the same program.
 
Man you hit the nail on the head!(excellent post!).Just like every new thing that comes along.Watch for bandwith caps at home when there gets to be what the providers consider enough(like cell phones now).:eek:;)

I think you are right. As soon as it seems that people are getting a good deal on the programming they want , the companies will do just that and slap bandwith caps on everything making it just as high. Look at Netflix. It was booming and growing and everyone had it, the boom hike the fees 60 % and we are back to square one.
 
Mike- you're funny! 933? Maybe it's the 900 series that is bad luck. why not call it 733 since it seems the 700 series works flawlessly and the 900 series is what gets doomed by the name.

Frankly, if predicting the future, I'd say the satellite TV technology is going to die anyway as it doesn't seem to be able to compete with IPTV. The entire function of satellite programming is hopelessly flawed when comparing to the features we get with IPTV. Satellite TV is a better cable TV. But IPTV can give us every program ever made, on demand, when we want it with infinite storage in the cloud. As internet gets faster and faster and lower and lower in price the costs of satellite technology, the way it is done will need to either change from transponder / tuner design or die as it will never compete with IP. In my daughter's young generation of friends, none of those families have cable TV nor satellite TV anymore. Everyone of them has a Roku box and cable modems. They have TV's with only wifi connection, no antenneas at all. They have Netflix, and Hulu+ which seem to be the two main popular choices. A whole generation of paradigm shift, households using a new way to see TV for family entertainment. TV in every room? No, a couple TV's but mainly ipads and iphones with TV aps on them. Frankly, I'm considering moving in that direction soon too and saving $150 a month on satellite. IP is so much cheaper.
Scott may need to change his name to "IPTVGuys". Will satellite TV and Cable cost themselves out of business before the end of the decade? Change or die! Satellite TV is like land line telephones. And, as costs come down, hard wire as the fastest internet connection will get replaced with wireless grid over the entire planet. broadband everywhere!


Yes I suggested that the 900 series never be used again and that may be why they switched from numbers to names like the Hopper and Joey. IF I had to name the 922 it would be the Crapper- just like its future - in the crapper. ;)

As for the iptv future, I think that DISH is seeing that and trying to adapt. The google revue unit was the first step towards it, but that has already been pulled from the market. So I see some kind of hybrid sat/ota/iptv box coming down the line for DISH. It maybe too late though. As the prices continue to rise ever year or every two years , using accounting tricks like "Price Freeze" till 2013, more and more people will be cutting the cords. The networks have become useless for original content and seem to be dropping the programming that once defined them like soap operas. They are becoming just like every other cable network showing gabfests, like the ABC the View, the Spew and the Regurgitation . There is no reason to even have them unless you want local news affiliates. With the internet replacing newspapers , and even tv networks for shows, I don't see satellite , ota or even cable growing much longer. In 10 years I see a different tv landscape entirely being the norm.
 
Mike- you're funny! 933? Maybe it's the 900 series that is bad luck. why not call it 733 since it seems the 700 series works flawlessly and the 900 series is what gets doomed by the name.

I picked 933 since it was using the 922 software (which actually works quite nicely, better than the 722 with the exception of the BBMP). 3 for 3 tuners and 3 for 3 TVs possible (with joeys). As much as people rag on the 922, it works, and it works well. Its current only shortcoming over the 722 is the support for BBMP, which the Hopper will have, and of course they claim they will back port to the 922 eventually (hard to resist saying soon).

I do agree there will be a lot more of an online component to TV in the future, if people find a way around bandwidth caps. Satellite still remains a great way for mass distribution. Dish needs to buy someone like boxee or roku next and put all the parts together in Hopper 2.0. Now that would be a cool box if you could get all the streaming abilities of boxee with the whole home distribution, and satellite receiving. It would really be what the revue was supposed to do. Perhaps even Dish could buy out the revue from Logictech, they probably would want to sell cheap.
 
Using your method, it would be 943, not 933, as up to 3 joeys can be connected, serving 4 TVs.

Anyway, 813 is appropriate, as a hopper by itself only serves 1 TV, 3 tuners. If you wanted to follow the 922 family, then 913.
 
356B, I don't think you understand the Hopper/Joey concept. You seem to be viewing it as another ViP box.

Hopper does the heavy lifting. Joey tends to the TV end. And if you wanted to split the output from a Joey you could feed more TVs but they'd all be watching the same program.
Perhaps I misunderstood the "Press Release". It did say Joey would service 1 TV. So a splitter will work to light up a TV in another area? The watching the same program is not an issue. We currently have a 722 which feeds the two areas in HD. One using the RCA type jacks and the other the HDMI cabling, (same programs on both TVs. I guess I could have used a splitter with the HDMI....would have been simpler but where I live I can't buy one off the shelf.
 
You could connect multiple TVs to a Joey but because you're forced to watch the same channel, it's not ideal (or something to promote).

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Yes I suggested that the 900 series never be used again and that may be why they switched from numbers to names like the Hopper and Joey. IF I had to name the 922 it would be the Crapper- just like its future - in the crapper. ;)

As for the iptv future, I think that DISH is seeing that and trying to adapt. The google revue unit was the first step towards it, but that has already been pulled from the market. So I see some kind of hybrid sat/ota/iptv box coming down the line for DISH. It maybe too late though. As the prices continue to rise ever year or every two years , using accounting tricks like "Price Freeze" till 2013, more and more people will be cutting the cords. The networks have become useless for original content and seem to be dropping the programming that once defined them like soap operas. They are becoming just like every other cable network showing gabfests, like the ABC the View, the Spew and the Regurgitation . There is no reason to even have them unless you want local news affiliates. With the internet replacing newspapers , and even tv networks for shows, I don't see satellite , ota or even cable growing much longer. In 10 years I see a different tv landscape entirely being the norm.


Well my Crapper came UPS today got it hooked up.What do I think?.I like it!.:D

Watched TV 2 in the bedroom for awhile, then watched TV2 on my computer for awhile.For what I need it for, 2 rooms sometimes,it should work well.I'll be sending my 722k back as it was leased.

Guess I should name it Kohler 3?,It hasn't plugged up yet?.;):D
 
Perhaps I misunderstood the "Press Release". It did say Joey would service 1 TV. So a splitter will work to light up a TV in another area? The watching the same program is not an issue. We currently have a 722 which feeds the two areas in HD. One using the RCA type jacks and the other the HDMI cabling, (same programs on both TVs. I guess I could have used a splitter with the HDMI....would have been simpler but where I live I can't buy one off the shelf.

There are HDMI splitters available, and people use them, with varying success. I think they may be problematic with HDCP. For composite, I think you can likely get by with Y cables. But there are powered composite splitters, if you want to spend the money. SD, of course.

Ordering online is my preferred method for items like this.
 
My advice is to wait awhile before getting the Hopper. Right now there's a lot of hype surrounding the Hopper, just like the 922 back in the day. If fact, If I recall, the 922 won an award at CES. It took more than a year just to stabilize the 922. Even after that, the 922 never caught up to the 722k in terms of features and stability. I decided to upgrade from the 922 to the 722k and wait it out.
 
There are HDMI splitters available, and people use them, with varying success. I think they may be problematic with HDCP. For composite, I think you can likely get by with Y cables. But there are powered composite splitters, if you want to spend the money. SD, of course.

Ordering online is my preferred method for items like this.
Haven't seen any HDCP isssues with my splitters, not saying there isn't a recipe where it could be an issue, but after 18 months none here.
 
My advice is to wait awhile before getting the Hopper. Right now there's a lot of hype surrounding the Hopper, just like the 922 back in the day. If fact, If I recall, the 922 won an award at CES. It took more than a year just to stabilize the 922. Even after that, the 922 never caught up to the 722k in terms of features and stability. I decided to upgrade from the 922 to the 722k and wait it out.

If they were writing the Hopper software from scratch. I would agree with you, but it's based on the 922's software which, as you said, has stabilized now. I'm sure there will be issues because you can't replicate every single subscriber's setup in a lab or in testing, but it won't be anything like the first year of the 922.
 
JM42 said:
Haven't seen any HDCP isssues with my splitters, not saying there isn't a recipe where it could be an issue, but after 18 months none here.

Good to know. Have you watched HBO thru a HDMI splitter?
 
My advice is to wait awhile before getting the Hopper. Right now there's a lot of hype surrounding the Hopper, just like the 922 back in the day.
That advice will fall on deaf ears. Many will buy it as soon as they can...


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Good to know. Have you watched HBO thru a HDMI splitter?

I've definitely watched HBO using the splitter. Can't swear I've watched it on more than one TV simultaneously, but think I probably have. Have definately done PPV though.
 
Were both TVs connected HDCP compliant? I wonder if one is not compliant would neither TV work.
 

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