4K Events Discussion Thread

[FLEABttn]

The feed on the Fox Sports app is SDR...

It doesn’t support HLG HDR so it can’t be shown that way.

 

[Bobby]

Fox sports is almost certainly not producing a 4K version without HDR, so I would be very surprised if that’s the case.

The feed on the Fox Sports app is SDR...

It doesn’t support HLG HDR so it can’t be shown that way.

That’s the point. Maybe Fox is stripping the HDR for their app and DISH is using that feed.

 

[Pjdmtns]

Hello new guy here.. Can anyone tell me why My guide listing for channel 540 on a Hopper 3 shows it as a PPV channel ? thanx

 

[pattykay]

Fox sports is almost certainly not producing a 4K version without HDR, so I would be very surprised if that’s the case.

You are correct on both counts. They are producing a 1080p version with HDR, and then it is being upconverted to 4K.

 

[dweber]

I have the 75 inch version of the x900E and also a couple of 65 inch versions of the x900f. When connected to either the Hopper or 4K Joey, I have to go into the TV's picture settings and change the color space to BT.2020. Once I do this, the colors are then perfect. I don't know why Dish isn't sending the signal to change the color space, but it's clearly required since otherwise the picture is very gray and washed out even though it's extremely sharp. Changing to BT.2020 manually solves this issue for the Dish 4K channel. Hope this helps.

Action Menu > Picture Adjustments > Advanced Settings > Video Options > Color Space > BT.2020

Since I recorded the game on my Hopper3 I tested your suggestion of changing the Color Space from Auto to BT.2020 on my Sony XBR-65X900E TV. You are correct. The colors become more intense and vibrant. In fact the colors of the 4K game match the Fox OTA channel. I agree that Fox Sports is broadcasting HDR that Direct TV uses but Dish has removed the HDR.


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[FLEABttn]

I also confirm that the colors look correct when when the color space is set to BT.2020 (or “Wide” under “Color Gamut” for LG TVs).

Whatever Dish is doing, it’s reporting the wrong color space/color gamut.

 

[reubenray]

I changed my colors also on my 5 year old Sony 75" 4K TV. I will check it out on Thursday.

 

[dweber]

As I mentioned in the other thread, Dish is either stripping the HDR data out of the 4K signal entirely or is doing an HDR -> SDR conversion. I will try what vipul128 has suggested, which if true implies that the HDR metadata is being stripped out but that the color space is incorrectly being flagged as BT.709 when it should be BT.2020. Again, assuming this is because the 4K Joey does not support HDR for whatever reason, and I guess maybe for people who had older/cheaper 4K TVs that don’t support HDR (Hopper 3 can’t do the conversion?)

I found an article that describes conversion of HDR to SDR. [Video] HDR > SDR conversion for TVs not compatible with HDR
← Zappiti 4K HDR [EN]
Since version 3.13, there is no need to manipulate anything to have an automatic conversion HDR to SDR. New conversion works on the luminance curve and the chrominance. A 3D LUT is dynamically applied to convert BT.2020 to BT.709.

To have an optimal conversion, here are the settings that we advise :
Deep Color: 10 Bits
Color Space: Y'CbCr 4:4:4




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[bjf]

The NFL Colts game yesterday on Dish 4k had terrible color.
About the worst I've seen yet. This whole stripping the HDR off is a stupid idea.
Just put the original 4k HDR version on the HDR channel.

Which looked good on Directv.

Dish has got to be one of the biggest cheap ass companies I've ever seen.

They have a 4K HDR channel with nothing on it and refuse to put the NFL 4k HDR game on with HDR.

They would rather send out inferior video for their paying customers.
While all their main rivals send of the better signal.

That would be Directv and Comast for a start.

And there are others on the list.

Dish keeps scraping the bottom and then digs even lower to find another lower standard.

All the while the clock keeps on ticking towards the future of TV being all internet TV.

Does DISH care at all about it's customers and ever being a industry leader.

The answer would be NO.

Thanks again DISH for more 2nd rate 4K.

bjf

 

[dweber]

BJF, did you try to adjust the color space to correct the colors. Adjusting the color space to BT.2020 fixed the colors for several of us.


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[bjf]

No I didn't. I will try.

But the real issue for me is DISH stupid behaviour of being so damn cheap and not just giving us the
quality HDR version. They could even offer both SDR and HDR like Comcast is doing for the live games on two channels.

It's not like anything is ever on their 4k channels.

I also shouldn't have to tweak my TV because of DISH
And I assume I would need to set it back to the other color space going back to the regular HD channels or they will look off?

I sound snappy at DISH but it's just getting old all this stupidity they keep doing.

I'm still very pissed at losing all the regional sports channels.

When the internet matures a bit more and they have a DVR that rivals sat. tv I will be there fast.
And so will my money. I'm sure millions will as well. DISH is just so damn clueless / arrogant and disrespectful of their customers.

I do appreciate your suggestion on the color.
Thanks.

bjf

 

[dweber]

I assume I would need to set it back to the other color space going back to the regular HD channels or they will look off?
bjf

I leave the color space set on my Sony TV set at BT.2020 instead of the default of Auto. It has no affect on the normal Dish HD channels.

I assume that I would need to change it back to Auto when I use my Roku 4, Apple TV, or the built in apps on my TV that can do HDR. But most of my viewing is with the Dish Hopper3.

I do agree with you that it would be nice if Dish would do both HDR and non HDR versions of the 4K sports.



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[Jim5506]

Bobby, The Cowboys/Bears game is Thursday night 12/5, kickoff at 8:20pm EST.

 

[Bobby]

Bobby, The Cowboys/Bears game is Thursday night 12/5, kickoff at 8:20pm EST.

I posted that 2 mornings ago in the non discussion thread!

 

[Jim5506]

I posted that 2 mornings ago in the non discussion thread!

Day is listed as Saturday, that threw me off, the rest is correct.

 

[Bobby]

Day is listed as Saturday, that threw me off, the rest is correct.

Whoops, fixed that, thank you!

 

[TheLip]

BJF, did you try to adjust the color space to correct the colors. Adjusting the color space to BT.2020 fixed the colors for several of us.


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My LG OLED C8 is on BT.2020. Colors are washed out and look terrible.

It is an absolute shame that my OTA picture is better than the 4k picture on satellite. In fact, the regular satellite feed of my local Fox is a better picture. I can't understand why they would even bother to send that signal down with it looking WORSE than the non-4k versions.

In addition, the Dolby 5.1 mix is totally wrong as well. The announcers are mixed into the the L and R channels and the center channel has no discernible audio.

 

[rad]

In addition, the Dolby 5.1 mix is totally wrong as well. The announcers are mixed into the the L and R channels and the center channel has no discernible audio.

DD5.1 is just fine on DIRECTV's 4K channel for the game, so it's something on Dish's end causing the problem, not FOX.

 

[Bobby]

A few ifs: If you have a 4K Roku or 4K Fire Stick and if you have the Fox Sports app loaded on either you can get this game in 4K HDR10 using your DISH credential. It does look pretty good!

 

[TheLip]

A few ifs: If you have a 4K Roku or 4K Fire Stick and if you have the Fox Sports app loaded on either you can get this game in 4K HDR10 using your DISH credential. It does look pretty good!

Yes, I checked it out. Looks pretty good.

I wonder why Amazon doesn't offer a 4k HDR stream since they negotiated the rights to carry these games and offer a lot of 4k HDR content?