I currently have both a 4dtv receiver slaved with a openboxs9 receiver and I must say I am very pleased with what I have.My 4d is subbed to starz with srl and the the fta I receive with my openbox is all I need. For those of you who do not have a fta receiver to run with your 4dtv dont know what you are missing.When you combine the both together the changes made in 2011 will not seem so bad. Something to think about