21 Voom HD Original Channels On Dish Network by CES?

[Sean Mota]

This may be a bit OT but it does referacne something Sean brought up...

I hear people talk about HDLite and down rezed channels and how bad they look etc etc....

The fact remains unless you TV's NATIVE RESOLUTION is 1980X1080i your TV can not take advantage of the full 1980x1080i resolution signal anyway....

Most fixed pixel displays on the market today are all native 1366X788. (There are newer (as in this years modles) sets that are 1280X720p and 1980X1080p native)

So a full resolution 1980X1080i broadcast are down rezed by you set.

What hurts the quality more than bit starving is not having enough bandwidth to broadcast what bits you do have....

Note 15mbs is enough for a 1280X720p signal so its enough for a 1280x1080i signal...that just didnt 15mbs out of a hat...

You are right about the native resolution of the TVs but by getting the downresize right from the source, pixels are being lost in the convertion which creates a softer picture on big displays (greater than 42"). Also, remember that we are moving into the 1080p displays and right there those displays will show lots of the softness of the 1280x1080i.

 

[Paradox-SJ]

You are right about the native resolution of the TVs but by getting the downresize right from the source, pixels are being lost in the convertion which creates a softer picture on big displays (greater than 42"). Also, remember that we are moving into the 1080p displays and right there those displays will show lots of the softness of the 1280x1080i.

When the down-rez resolution is still greater than the native resolution of the set recieving it there is no loss of quality...

What IF the down-rez resolution was equal to the native resolution of a paticular monitor...do you think the pic would be soft?

 

[bestboff]

Any word on the LA and NY networks? When that happens, bye bye DirecTv.

 

[hdtvtechno]

We haven't heard anything official yet.

I think i seen a press release before about this, somewhere

 

[Smith P.]

"The VOOM 21 are coming back and that new channels like Sizzle HD, Gameplay HD, Renew HD, Coda HD and Torque HD were uplinked on Dish Network but there was no content on them."

Total contradiction in the phrase: uplinked <-> no content;
why not use more simple definition: System Tables changed and include xHD, yHD, ... zHD now ?

 

[Lucky]

Has anyone heard if ESPN2HD will be added on or about the time that these other VOOM channels will be added ?

 

[Sean Mota]

When the down-rez resolution is still greater than the native resolution of the set recieving it there is no loss of quality...

Not true. It all depends on the scalers used. Remember that this process of downresizing the HD channels has one purpose -- conserving bandwith. When the signal goes out from the original source, there are various scaling processes that it goes through. Even after it reaches your house depending on the native resolution of your tv or receiver, you may upscale or downscale the signal again. I am not a technician in the whole process but there has been various analysis done by calibrators and even pictures had been posted where the comparison of 1920x1080i vs 1280x1080i and bitrates manipulation makes a huge difference to the quality of the signal.

The satellite/cable companies that are downresizing want to save bandwith at the cost of playing with bitrates and filtering so that the image or signal may look like a 1920x1080i signal. The more the signal up/down the more the degradation.

 

[Sean Mota]

Total contradiction in the phrase: uplinked <-> no content;
why not use more simple definition: System Tables changed and include xHD, yHD, ... zHD now ?

Gotcha!

 

[Sean Mota]

I think i seen a press release before about this, somewhere

I have only seen a post with a whole lot of conjecture about it. I do not remember seeing one.

 

[Sean Mota]

I have update the first post with the renew of the series NOMADS

 

[BFG]

Well it happened. Monsters and the other 3 channels that were 1920x1080i are now 1280x1080i

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=112993

Thanks for letting us know Gary who can track these things...

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

In a nutshell, the Voom 21 HD channels need to be put at 1920x1080i in order to get full resolution and with a bitrate of at least 15mbps.​

Huh?

You want to REDUCE the current bandwidth on the 1920x1080i channels to at least 15mbps?

Put all 21 up where EquatorHD and MonstersHD are at 18.5mbps with telecine flag turned on.

 

[Sean Mota]

Huh?

You want to REDUCE the current bandwidth on the 1920x1080i channels to at least 15mbps?

Put all 21 up where EquatorHD and MonstersHD are at 18.5mbps with telecine flag turned on.

You obviously read me wrong. I would like all of them to be 45mbps obviously. But it ain't going to happen. All of them are going to be 1280x1080i at 15mbps after January according to sources I have spoken to.

 

[Sean Mota]

Well it happened. Monsters and the other 3 channels that were 1920x1080i are now 1280x1080i

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=112993

Thanks for letting us know Gary who can track these things...

The link is no longer working...

 

[BFG]

Hopefully things will figure themselves out. Things got really messed up with the update IMO but hopefully we'll be set straight

 

[Gary Murrell]

Sean, if that is what you are hearing then Voom is dead to me

GalleryHD has been switched to 1920x1080i 14 Mbps Video last night sometime and is currently the only true Voom HD right now

here is my thread:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=47936

This is beginning of the end for HD on Dish

-Gary

 

[Sean Mota]

I agree.

 

[riffjim4069]

It seems like E* is taking one step forward and two steps back; they're doing the D* HD-Lite Shuffle. FiOS TV can't come too soon if you ask my opinion. Let's just hope we're all mistaken.

 

[jsb_hburg]

With the down resolution of the Voom 10, my interest in the return of the Voom 21 is zero, zip, nada...