1080p60 vs 108024 Help!

[LeslieAZ]

Hello. Another chat forum reco'd I come over here to ask this because you all know everything about this kind of stuff. I have DirecTV HR24 receiver. My TV is a true 1080p TV. But, for some reason, the receiver keeps telling me that my TV doesn't support their 1080p transmission. I suspect it's b'c they are broadcasting in 1080p24 and my TV is set to 1080p60. I have native resolution turned off, but I still cannot get 1080p. Is there anyway to reconcile this so I actually take advantage of the 1080p on my TV??? Their tech support doesn't have a clue what any of this even means. When I asked them if they were broadcasting in 1080p24.... she had no idea what I was referring to. I had to google around to even understand enough to type this message.

Anyone out there able to help?

?Leslie

 

[Rey]

If your Tv is like mine that only does 1080p/60 then there's nothing you can do. 1080i is good enough for me when it comes to Tv service providers. At least we can enjoy the 1080p from our bluray players or game consoles.....

 

[texasbrit]

Many slightly older TVs do not support 1080p/24. But it really does not matter. Because the source is only 24fps, all the information is also contained in the 1080i signal, so watching the same program in 1080i will give you basically the same picture quality.

 

[gadgtfreek]

Only thing you are gonna get 1080p/24 from anyways is a Directv PPV purchase. Since Directv knows this, if your display cannot accept a straight 1080p/24 signal, it will not let you select it at all. They should have given a 1080p/60 option like TiVo.

The rub for me is this little unreliable Broadcom chip is taking a perfectly fine 1080p/24 movie and down converting it into 1080i/60...

 

[texasbrit]

Only thing you are gonna get 1080p/24 from anyways is a Directv PPV purchase. Since Directv knows this, if your display cannot accept a straight 1080p/24 signal, it will not let you select it at all. They should have given a 1080p/60 option like TiVo.

The rub for me is this little unreliable Broadcom chip is taking a perfectly fine 1080p/24 movie and down converting it into 1080i/60...

You just don't understand this. 1080p/24, 1080i/60 and 1080p/60 all contain the same picture information when the source is at 24fps. It won't look any different.

 

[king3pj]

You just don't understand this. 1080p/24, 1080i/60 and 1080p/60 all contain the same picture information when the source is at 24fps. It won't look any different.

It might contain the same picture information but there is a reason they are different formats. The framerate is different so it does make a difference in how smooth the picture moves. Most blu-ray and apparently Directv on demand are encoded at 1080p/24. If your TV cannot display 1080p/24 there can be increased motion judder especially when the camera is panning from one side to the other. If your TV displays 1080p/24 correctly you won't see this judder.

Now this is limited mostly to movies from sources like blu-ray and on demand. All the TV channels broadcast in either 720p/60 or 1080i/60. If you are watching a movie on HBO you won't be getting a 1080p/24 signal. To the OP... I wouldn't worry about this unless you watch a lot of on demand PPV or blu-ray movies. Even if you do the only fix is to buy a new TV.

 

[tigerfan33]

You just don't understand this. 1080p/24, 1080i/60 and 1080p/60 all contain the same picture information when the source is at 24fps. It won't look any different.

I think he understands it pretty good.
The first sentence he write says it all.

 

[gadgtfreek]

You just dont understand that native 1080p displays and certain avr's take issues with certain resolutions either. You are putting too much faith in the broadcom chip, which is already known to be crappy scaler. Ive seen AVR's handle 1080p input fine, but muck up 1080i and 720p with all on board processing OFF!

I can show you three 2013 model blu-ray players that cant even output 1080p/24 correctly. I agree with you in theory about "it should look no different", dont get me wrong, but you are naive in thinking all these devices do their work properly. I test every display, AVR and blu-ray player I own, and you'd be surprised (ignorance is bliss). There are also things in the luma and chroma channels that happen as well. I've even seen devices that can't even take 1080p/24 to 1080p/60 without failing tests, but hey "they all contain the same picture information". Do not assume that you can claim what I do and dont understand. If you knew more about CE devices and less about resolution numbers, you'd know that you do not snap your fingers, make 1080p into 1080i and its accurate.

My point to the whole thing is, the less conversion the better, period. Sending a 1080p display 1080i can be problematic depending on the model, it would have been better if they allowed you a 1080p/60 option. This has nothing to do with the data bits that are there, it has everything to do with how native 1080p displays handle other resolutions...

 

[raoul5788]

to Satelliteguys Leslie!

 

[mdavej]

Hello. Another chat forum reco'd I come over here to ask this because you all know everything about this kind of stuff. I have DirecTV HR24 receiver. My TV is a true 1080p TV. But, for some reason, the receiver keeps telling me that my TV doesn't support their 1080p transmission. I suspect it's b'c they are broadcasting in 1080p24 and my TV is set to 1080p60. I have native resolution turned off, but I still cannot get 1080p. Is there anyway to reconcile this so I actually take advantage of the 1080p on my TV??? Their tech support doesn't have a clue what any of this even means. When I asked them if they were broadcasting in 1080p24.... she had no idea what I was referring to. I had to google around to even understand enough to type this message.

Anyone out there able to help?

?Leslie

Nobody broadcasts 1080p24. Only some DirecTV PPVs are 1080p24, as others have said. If your TV doesn't work with your HR24 set to 1080p, then that means it's old. The picture is going look exactly the same whether it's 1080p or 1080i. But if it bothers you, you'll have to get a new TV.

 

[gadgtfreek]

The picture is going look exactly the same whether it's 1080p or 1080i

Not exactly true. You guys have to release the death clutch on the bits are bits and 1920x1080 is 1920x1080, its more than that. You have to figure in deinterlacing ability of the display for one thing. I'm not saying he is going to see a difference, but the concept of 1080p looks the same as 1080i all the time is 100% false. Now sure, Im getting into minor anal video processing issues, but "same" is incorrect depending on the situation.

I think saying just use 1080i it will look the same is a safe and easy answer which is why it's used so much, and Directv should not be let off the hook for not allowing a 1080p/60 setting. The TiVo can output 480i/60, 480p/60, 720p/60, 1080i/60, 1080p/60 and 1080p/24 with a Broadcom chip. Same goes for Dish, but they havent even figured out "Native" yet.

 

[mdavej]

I have yet to see a modern display that can't do something as simple as deinterlace correctly unless it's super cheap. If a human being can see any difference, then it's the same for practical purposes. If you want to get out your oscilloscope, then I agree you may see a difference. It's a moot point anyway because the OPs TV won't even work with a 1080p input from his HR. So he can buy a new TV and most likely not see any difference at all, or he can keep his TV with the peace of mind that he isn't missing anything.

1080p is dead anyway, it's 4K all the way now.

 

[LeslieAZ]

Hi, Yes it is older. I haven't replaced this particular one because it still works soooo perfect! I'm a "her". lol I really don't understand these technical things. I'm just a regular everyday consumer and last night was the first I became aware of the FPS difference. My mind is bLoWn! Thank you for you help!

 

[LeslieAZ]

Thank you everyone for your help! This OP is "her." I just became aware last night there was 1080p24 and 1080p60. I have spent the past 4 1/2 years wondering WHY on a true 1080P HD TV, DirecTV's receiver message says my TV doesn't support the 1080p broadcast. The other (new) 1080p TV I have in the master bedroom does support it. But if I'm not missing anything, then cool. What I am VERY good at, is Googling anything and everything on a problem. I don't quit until I can get to people who may have answers. What I lack in understanding, I make up for in determiniation to understand. I don't have a BluRay hooked up to the TV in question, but am curious if Blu-Ray would work with it since it's signal is 1080p24, but sounds like Tivo may be a match. In any event, thank you for all the great answers. I now know something DirecTV doesn't know.. and that makes me feel smart. lol!!! Have a great day everyone!

?Leslie

 

[gadgtfreek]

Blu-ray would be fine, any current player offers the option to turn 24p off, so it would send 1080p/60 to your display.

You post about Directv and 1080p/24 was a quite common one a few years ago when they started the 1080p PPV's. All kinds of folks were mad, now most 1080p tv's can accept a 24p signal.

 

[king3pj]

Thank you everyone for your help! This OP is "her." I just became aware last night there was 1080p24 and 1080p60. I have spent the past 4 1/2 years wondering WHY on a true 1080P HD TV, DirecTV's receiver message says my TV doesn't support the 1080p broadcast. The other (new) 1080p TV I have in the master bedroom does support it. But if I'm not missing anything, then cool. What I am VERY good at, is Googling anything and everything on a problem. I don't quit until I can get to people who may have answers. What I lack in understanding, I make up for in determiniation to understand. I don't have a BluRay hooked up to the TV in question, but am curious if Blu-Ray would work with it since it's signal is 1080p24, but sounds like Tivo may be a match. In any event, thank you for all the great answers. I now know something DirecTV doesn't know.. and that makes me feel smart. lol!!! Have a great day everyone!

?Leslie

Blu-ray will work in 1080p. The player will just send it as 60fps instead of 24fps. This should cause no problems except maybe some slight motion judder.