Where's GOL-TV, Charlie?? Bundesliga/La Liga???

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With this information about Bundesliga, Charlie needs to step up and bring back GOL TV!!



Gol TV Nets Bundesliga Renewal

Three-Year Extension Gives Soccer-Centric Network U.S. TV, Internet Rights
Mike Reynolds -- Multichannel News, 5/4/2009 10:01:08 PM MT

Bilingual soccer channel Gol TV has reached a three-year TV rights renewal deal with the Bundesliga.
Gol TV netted the pact, terms of which were not disclosed, for the top German futbol circuit's 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons. The soccer-centric network, which makes its feeds available in English or Spanish, depending on distributors' needs, also scored rights in South America, as well as match rights on the Internet.
The deal follows Gol TV's recent extension with La Liga, Spain's leading soccer circuit, for a similar time frame and streaming match rights. The soccer network's current deals with both the German and Spanish league expire with the conclusion of their seasons in Europe later this spring.

Gol's other cornerstone live-match programming comes top leagues in Brazil and Colombia, according to Gol TV COO Rodrigo Lombello.
He said the Bundesliga agreement, typically covers two to four live games per week -- most on the weekends -- spread over 34 rounds.
As is the case with La Liga, there are often too many Bundesliga matches in the same windows on the weekends. In particular, Lombello said there can be four to five matches at the same time on Sunday from Spain. As such, Lombello said Gol is contemplating its next distribution gambit.
"We are getting a lot of requests, especially from fans of La Liga, but also from those asking for Bundesliga matches, to see more of the games live," said Lombello, who notes Gol TV is considering sublicensing the matches to another carrier, or developing an Internet package. "When it comes to broadband, a lot of Hispanics are not there yet, and the quality is not the same as on TV. We are assessing our options."
Lombello said Gol TV's goal is to have a game plan for multiple match presentations in place for the kickoff of the new Bundesliga and La Liga seasons in late summer. "We'd like to make all of the games available. If not all of them, we want to three or four others live concurrent with the match airing on Gol TV, " said Lombello.

He also said Gol TV is making strides toward presenting some of its soccer coverage in HD next year: We're having discussions with our distributors. A lot of the matches from Europe are now being shot in HD. I think you'll see some of our programming in HD during the second or third quarter of 2010."
In the meantime, Gol TV continues to build its subscription base back up. The network lost customers on Dish Network last year and is now engaged in litigation over funds it says it's owed by the No. 2 satellite operator.
Dish dropped Gol TV when its contract expired on Aug. 1, 2008, and the license fee dispute served to reduce Gol TV's sub count overall to about 12 million from 14 million. Included in that total was a drop in Hispanic households from about 3.6 million to 3.3 million, according to Gol TV officials.

Lombello said that Gol is on target to reach the 14 million plateau again by year-end, owing to a combination of new system rollouts with extant affiliates, as well as organic growth on both sports tiers and Hispanic packages, where it is principally positioned.

Pointing to success the network and operator have enjoyed following Gol TV's move to Comcast's digital-basic offering in the Miami area in October 2007, Lombello argues that the network would perform better for distributors in top Latino markets like Los Angeles, Dallas and New York if it were also available on more deeply penetrated tiers in those DMAs.
Looking ahead on the rights front, Lombello said Gol is monitoring the English Premier League rights, currently held by Fox Soccer Channel and Setanta Sports in the U.S.

"We're evaluating the situation to see if there is a way we can participate," he said, adding that "we have the funds" to be in that game.
 
This Makes It Hurt More

With this information about Bundesliga, Charlie needs to step up and bring back GOL TV!!



Gol TV Nets Bundesliga Renewal

Three-Year Extension Gives Soccer-Centric Network U.S. TV, Internet Rights
Mike Reynolds -- Multichannel News, 5/4/2009 10:01:08 PM MT

Bilingual soccer channel Gol TV has reached a three-year TV rights renewal deal with the Bundesliga.
Gol TV netted the pact, terms of which were not disclosed, for the top German futbol circuit's 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons. The soccer-centric network, which makes its feeds available in English or Spanish, depending on distributors' needs, also scored rights in South America, as well as match rights on the Internet.
The deal follows Gol TV's recent extension with La Liga, Spain's leading soccer circuit, for a similar time frame and streaming match rights. The soccer network's current deals with both the German and Spanish league expire with the conclusion of their seasons in Europe later this spring.

Gol's other cornerstone live-match programming comes top leagues in Brazil and Colombia, according to Gol TV COO Rodrigo Lombello.
He said the Bundesliga agreement, typically covers two to four live games per week -- most on the weekends -- spread over 34 rounds.
As is the case with La Liga, there are often too many Bundesliga matches in the same windows on the weekends. In particular, Lombello said there can be four to five matches at the same time on Sunday from Spain. As such, Lombello said Gol is contemplating its next distribution gambit.
"We are getting a lot of requests, especially from fans of La Liga, but also from those asking for Bundesliga matches, to see more of the games live," said Lombello, who notes Gol TV is considering sublicensing the matches to another carrier, or developing an Internet package. "When it comes to broadband, a lot of Hispanics are not there yet, and the quality is not the same as on TV. We are assessing our options."
Lombello said Gol TV's goal is to have a game plan for multiple match presentations in place for the kickoff of the new Bundesliga and La Liga seasons in late summer. "We'd like to make all of the games available. If not all of them, we want to three or four others live concurrent with the match airing on Gol TV, " said Lombello.

He also said Gol TV is making strides toward presenting some of its soccer coverage in HD next year: We're having discussions with our distributors. A lot of the matches from Europe are now being shot in HD. I think you'll see some of our programming in HD during the second or third quarter of 2010."
In the meantime, Gol TV continues to build its subscription base back up. The network lost customers on Dish Network last year and is now engaged in litigation over funds it says it's owed by the No. 2 satellite operator.
Dish dropped Gol TV when its contract expired on Aug. 1, 2008, and the license fee dispute served to reduce Gol TV's sub count overall to about 12 million from 14 million. Included in that total was a drop in Hispanic households from about 3.6 million to 3.3 million, according to Gol TV officials.

Lombello said that Gol is on target to reach the 14 million plateau again by year-end, owing to a combination of new system rollouts with extant affiliates, as well as organic growth on both sports tiers and Hispanic packages, where it is principally positioned.

Pointing to success the network and operator have enjoyed following Gol TV's move to Comcast's digital-basic offering in the Miami area in October 2007, Lombello argues that the network would perform better for distributors in top Latino markets like Los Angeles, Dallas and New York if it were also available on more deeply penetrated tiers in those DMAs.
Looking ahead on the rights front, Lombello said Gol is monitoring the English Premier League rights, currently held by Fox Soccer Channel and Setanta Sports in the U.S.

"We're evaluating the situation to see if there is a way we can participate," he said, adding that "we have the funds" to be in that game.

This is just part of why losing GOL TV hurts. Can you imagine if they somehow end up getting some of the US television rights to the English Premier League?


Nice going, Charlie.
 
First, Dish dropped WorldSportHD with its La Liga coverage and then it lost GolTV.
I had to go to a friend on Saturday (who has DirecTV) to watch the Barcelona - Real Madrid match.
And what a fantastic match that was! Barca has won 6-2!!!
 
They are bringing in subs from other providers now so they are past where they use to be in subs # when they use to have E*.

I posted in the other thread today that Disney/ABC is trying to help Setanta which they have been trying to buy, it's trying to financial helping them with a money crunch, because they missed their EPL payments to the right fee and they need 100million+ soon or will loose tv rights to EPL for the 2009/2010 season.
 
You mean 'LOSE'.

I gave up on this months ago. I don't know what it is about this message board...it's rampant. I've seen people write otherwise perfectly intelligent, rational posts, yet spell "lose" wrong multiple times. I've never seen this phenomenon anywhere else. It's insane.
 
Dish lost GolTV, CentroamericanoTV, and failed to reach an agretment with MLB ticket and WAPA America but thay like to raise the price on the service package with $2-$3 each month.
 
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Dish lost GolTV, CentroamericanoTV, and failed to reach an agretment with MLB ticket and WAPA America but thay like to raise the price on the service package with $2-$3 each month.

Uh, Dish Latino has actually stayed the same or gone down in price (depending on the specific package).

The fact that I have been involved with SatelliteTV for over 10 years, and I have never heard of "WAPA America" shows that it is not any big loss to Dish Network.

PS To the OP, I doubt that Charlie has ever heard of the Bundesliga, and I doubt that it would be watched by more than 1% of 1% of 1% of Dish Network subscribers...

PPS It is foolish for any provider to making any deals for soccer right now, given that (as mentioned above) Setanta Sports is on the edge of going broke, and might be purchased by ESPN. Any provider is giong to wait until the end of the month when all of that is clarified, before making new deals.

PPPS I happen to know that Dish Network management is aware of FoxSoccer-HD channel and knows of its importance to soccer fans...
 
funny thing is that GOL TV does not want to be back on Dish.

Scott, please clarify what you mean. I can't believe Gol TV would not want more subscribers ($$$).

The fact that I have been involved with SatelliteTV for over 10 years, and I have never heard of "WAPA America" shows that it is not any big loss to Dish Network.

Comcast just added this channel here. It's Puerto Rico's leading independent broadcaster.

PS To the OP, I doubt that Charlie has ever heard of the Bundesliga, and I doubt that it would be watched by more than 1% of 1% of 1% of Dish Network subscribers...

Doesn't matter if he's heard of it, his subscribers have, and you are well aware there are more soccer leagues(especially Latin leagues) than Budesliga on GOL.

PPS It is foolish for any provider to making any deals for soccer right now, given that (as mentioned above) Setanta Sports is on the edge of going broke, and might be purchased by ESPN. Any provider is giong to wait until the end of the month when all of that is clarified, before making new deals.

This doesn't preclude a deal with GOL, they have their own exclusive signings for soccer leagues, as the press release above states.

PPPS I happen to know that Dish Network management is aware of FoxSoccer-HD channel and knows of its importance to soccer fans...

It's nice to know they are aware, now we'll see if they care.

If they do care about soccer fans(especially Latino), why not carry Gol TV? Comcast just added GOL TV here, also, and we all know how cheap they are when it comes to signing on new channels.
 
First, Dish dropped WorldSportHD with its La Liga coverage and then it lost GolTV.
I had to go to a friend on Saturday (who has DirecTV) to watch the Barcelona - Real Madrid match.
And what a fantastic match that was! Barca has won 6-2!!!

Still miss the beautiful game in beautiful HD. Those matches were gorgeous!
 
Scott, please clarify what you mean. I can't believe Gol TV would not want more subscribers ($$$).

I can't speak for Scott but my guess is it's the same old tired excuse: "if GolTV would just accede to Dish's demands they would be back." Which, of course, works both ways: " if Charlie would just accede to GolTV's demands, they would be carried on Dish".

The best way to judge the veracity of these arguments is to follow a popular financial theory: to find out what a stock is truly worth see what similar, or identical, stocks are selling for. IOW, DirecTV, CV, many if not most other providers happily carry GolTV (and YES, but that's another story). They all can't be crazy.
 
People keep forgetting that it is not just the cost of the channel, is the bundling demands of the channels that cause disagreements.

For example, YES is not on Dish Network because the channel demands to be in a national package, not a regional package, and be paid a fee for each Dish customer.

Each such demand (another one is the Fox News demand to be in a bigger package) causes price increases. A dozen increases of ten cents is $1.20 increase. Then everyone complains about "price increases for the same old channels".

The package structures are different for Dish Network, DirecTV, and various cable systems, and so the negotiations and the demands are different for each.
 
This is why we love retransmission consent. Charlie plays ball at our expense!

Sadly, Hurricane Fisher has been hovering over Dishland for five months minus eleven days. That and Tropical Storm Newport, which might be beginning to break off, is doing fine too.
 
People keep forgetting that it is not just the cost of the channel, is the bundling demands of the channels that cause disagreements.

For example, YES is not on Dish Network because the channel demands to be in a national package, not a regional package, and be paid a fee for each Dish customer.

Each such demand (another one is the Fox News demand to be in a bigger package) causes price increases. A dozen increases of ten cents is $1.20 increase. Then everyone complains about "price increases for the same old channels".

The package structures are different for Dish Network, DirecTV, and various cable systems, and so the negotiations and the demands are different for each.

You make a valid point. Shortly after Nashville locals were launched the CBS station WTVF went of the air as they could not work out a deal during the re-transmission renewal. Basically, WTVF a.k.a Newschannel 5 has a cable only channel called NewsChannel 5+, they were demanding that Dish include this channel, Charlie refused and we lost the channel. However, we did get it back after about 3 months without the + channel.
During the months we lost the channel, Dish gave us a discount for the locals and installed an outside antenna for free.

GolTV does not own multiple channels.
I think the hardest part to swallow is that how come Comcast, DTV and others still have the channel and are not complaining about increases from the providers. Charlie is the only one (usually).
I originally was on the top 100 package then upgraded to the top 150 because of FSC and GOLTV.
 
People keep forgetting that it is not just the cost of the channel, is the bundling demands of the channels that cause disagreements.

For example, YES is not on Dish Network because the channel demands to be in a national package, not a regional package, and be paid a fee for each Dish customer.

Each such demand (another one is the Fox News demand to be in a bigger package) causes price increases. A dozen increases of ten cents is $1.20 increase. Then everyone complains about "price increases for the same old channels".

The package structures are different for Dish Network, DirecTV, and various cable systems, and so the negotiations and the demands are different for each.

I think you bring up an excellent point; however, there is no evidence that this is actually what is affecting the YES and/or GOL-TV situations. You yourself point out that, with YES, it's a "national" vs. "regional" package thingie, and I don't see Dish's packaging being significantly different from that of CV, D* or FIOS in that regard.

Yes, the convoluted package structure Charlie has attempted to implement (e.g. TurboHD vs HDTurbo vs. Absolute Turbo HD Super) can present a problem, but I don't see how this is relevant to YES or GOL. Of course it might be but, absent specific info, I will assume it's just Charlie being Charlie. Which is fine: he has a right to run his company his way and subscribers have a right to choose the provider they prefer as alternatives become available that don't present the restrictions Dish does. Charlie may have gotten away with this in the past when the economy was on the upswing but if he continues to act the same way in the midst of a downturn he may find he's made a big mistake. Of course he is much richer than I am so what he's doing might indeed pull Dish out of it's slump. Or not.

The great thing about our market economy is that consumers don't have to worry what Charlie's thinking as long as there are other providers who give them what they want at a similar price.
 
PPS It is foolish for any provider to making any deals for soccer right now, given that (as mentioned above) Setanta Sports is on the edge of going broke, and might be purchased by ESPN. Any provider is giong to wait until the end of the month when all of that is clarified, before making new deals.

I agree with Yaz's rebuttal to this statement. There's nothing foolish about wrapping up existing negotiations now if Gol expects to make a bid for a slice of EPL in the coming weeks. Gol's people have secured their existing programing and have a better idea of how much money they can move around now.

Think about it. Their positioning with Bundesliga was much stronger when they still had the option for the EPL bid (which they plan to make). Suppose they fall flat on their face in the EPL bid. Then when they went back to the table with Bundesliga, they'd be in a much weajer position (although maintaining La Liga through 2012 already put them in pretty good shape).

Now that they've secured their existing viewership with those deals, they've got nothing to do but grow. When Dish dropped Gol, some people here said to wait a year, and La Liga would probably be on a different channel. These predictions were wrong. Sure, Gol's audience is a small percentage of the customer-base, but it's a passionate niche that will look elsewhere for its soccer if Dish can't provide it.
 

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