What really happened to the levees in NO

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From an email I recieved today:




March 10, 2006​









A Message from ASCE President Dennis Martenson:



Today, the team conducting the Federal performance assessment of the New Orleans hurricane protection system released the second of its four scheduled reports. This report was issued during a meeting in Vicksburg, Mississippi, between the Interagency Performance Assessment Team, led by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and the ASCE External Review Panel.


Based on the assessments conducted to date, we know that there was no single cause for the catastrophic flooding of New Orleans and the tragic loss of life and property. Some parts of the system performed as designed, while others were simply overwhelmed by the force of the storm. Some were compromised by uncoordinated interaction by multiple jurisdictions, including levee boards, and long-time under-funding of maintenance and improvements. Several breaches, however, appear to have resulted from soil foundation failures and failed before their design capacity.
The more than 700-page report released today includes a preliminary finding on the cause of the breach at the 17th Street Canal levee. This levee is among those that breached before reaching its design capacity. It appears that a combination of factors are responsible for the failure, in particular:






  • The design appears to have not accounted for soil strengths that were significantly weaker at the toe of the levee (near the adjoining backyards) than under the centerline of the levee embankment.
  • The design did not anticipate that the storm surge could cause the floodwall to deflect, opening a gap in the foundation at the base of the floodwall. This gap allowed significantly greater force to push against the floodwall, extending the full length of the sheetpile foundation, and shortened the sliding surface.

Several other factors warrant careful consideration, though based on preliminary analysis these did not contribute as significantly to the breach at the 17th Street Canal. These factors include selection of soil strengths for design in a location with a high degree of variability: selection of factor of safety (1.3 at 17th Street), which should be reexamined in all situations where populations are at risk; and selection of the length of the sheetpile used. Significant additional analysis will be needed to determine the role of these factors, if any, in the performance of the levee breaches.
It is highly unusual for preliminary results from a technical assessment to be released at this stage, when there remain as many questions as answers. ASCE commends the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for recognizing the importance of these findings as a tool to guide assessment and reconstruction of the New Orleans hurricane protection system. Engineers now have a reliable method to assess the safety of floodwalls in New Orleans.
It is important to remember that this is a technical assessment that allows us to understand the facts as they relate to the design and actual performance of the hurricane protection system and its components. This assessment does not answer questions as to the understanding of these factors at the time of the design, the procedures in place for establishing design criteria or conducting review and oversight. Those questions can and must be addressed, both for the benefit of those who lost their loved ones and their livelihoods as the tragic consequence of the flood, and to ensure that the potential for such events in the future can be prevented.
I urge each of you to familiarize yourself with the IPET report and its findings and to be prepared to engage in discussions with your colleagues, your clients, your family and your neighbors about the engineering process, our evolving understanding of the performance of the hurricane protection system and the implications for our society.
As engineers, we must carry the memory of the catastrophic flooding of New Orleans with us each day as a sobering reminder of the responsibility that rests in our hands.






To view the report, click here








American Society of Civil Engineers​
1801 Alexander Bell Drive Reston, VA 20191
Phone: 703.295.6300 Fax: 703.295.6415
 
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dragon002 said:
so,

bush didnt have them bombed after all!!!

No actually one of the reasons is a pretty predictable problem. Inadequate soil strengths which could have been revealed by taking more soil borings during design. Unfortunately, those paying the bill often nix the idea of taking more than a handful of borings. Its typical.:rolleyes:
 
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There was an entire show on discovery channel about this last week.

But spike lee still claims he watched Bush plant several bombs at the base of them personally.
 
Eric Goempel said:
There was an entire show on discovery channel about this last week.

But spike lee still claims he watched Bush plant several bombs at the base of them personally.

he and Louis Farakhan
 
where did farakhan observe this from? THE MOTHER WHEEL??

hes the only one i know who was kookier in all this than ray "school bus" nagin.
 
They were in a deer blind with night vision goggles on and happened to spot the President doing this as the Hurricane hit the city full force.
 
you guys know what is sad, ? ray nagin COULD have been a hero in that storm. he had three days warning, bush called him AND blanco. told them to get out (well blanco was not there and, well he did leave!!) he could have fired up the 1000 school busses and the mass transit busses and got probably 75,000 people 200 miles inland. hell I would have respected the hell out of him for that. so what does he do? he goes to houston and talks smack on FEMA.

im not being cruel, but, i bet he has the busses all gassed up for the next mayoral election!!!!
 
And now the people of New Orleans act like a live grenade has been dropped on on their laps when you tell em to get out of the free hotel and go get a job!
 
dragon002 said:
im not being cruel, but, i bet he has the busses all gassed up for the next mayoral election!!!!

Its not cruel, it is a fact. Bus those dead people around the city to vote as many times as possible.
 
boston area dtv said:
And now the people of New Orleans act like a live grenade has been dropped on on their laps when you tell em to get out of the free hotel and go get a job!


you cant even expect that!! A JOB????????:eek: oh you mean going down and picking up the welfare check, gotcha :devil:

they better not rebuild the 9th ward. build all new homes for the welfare bums, not on my dime.:mad:
 
boston area dtv said:
And now the people of New Orleans act like a live grenade has been dropped on on their laps when you tell em to get out of the free hotel and go get a job!


wes anit got no place to go! they be telling us we anit welcome no mor! what we go do!
 
tate,

i dont want to go there tonite, ill get banned for life and a day!

the steve martin movie??

jump around and pick....................................
 
They failed because all the dykes were in NY and Washington working on Hillary's 2008 campaign.
 
How Silly. Bush couldn't have planted any bombs in New Orleans. He was still on another five week vacation. Gee over a year of vacation time in his first five years. Imagine what he could have done if he'd been trying.
 
techpuppy said:
How Silly. Bush couldn't have planted any bombs in New Orleans. He was still on another five week vacation. Gee over a year of vacation time in his first five years. Imagine what he could have done if he'd been trying.


no techpup,

he was busy behind the scenes.

1 blowing up the dam in hawaii

2 starting the texas range fires

3 poisoning milosovich

4 helping the refs make sure the steelers won the superbowl

5 causing sun spot activity

6 ramming that poor mannatee in florida

7 running his ranch

8 watching over his family.

yeah all he does is eat quiche, and lobster and talk french,,,,,,,,,no wait that is kerry!!! sorry!
 
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