What I like about my High Def Player

CochiseGuy

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What I like about HD DVD

I've seen several post from member saying they come to the War Zone to get information about HD DVD and/pr Blu-ray, and they see more post about why one format is bad and gonna die. :eek:

So, I thought I'd try a thread about the reasons why I chose my format. Here's my setup:

Display: Sony KDP-57WS550 - 57" rear projection CRT, 1080i rez
AVR: Sony STR-DE845 - 5.1, 110 watts, Digital optical & coax and 5.1 analog inputs
Speakers: Home Theater Direct (HTD) Level II 5.1 speaker system
Player: Toshiba XA1 HD DVD

I chose HD DVD primarily because:

1- Compatibility with my other components. My display is 2 1/2 years old and I'm very happy with it. I can connect my XA1 to my display with either component or HDMI>DVI cable. I tried both, and prefer HDMI>DVI. My display only goes up to 1080i, so the 1080i output was a good match for my display. My receiver is 6 years old. It still works fine, and I don't plan on upgrading until HDMI 1.3 receivers are more common and less expensive. With the 5.1 analog outputs and internal player decoding of HD audio (TrueHD and DTS-MA), I can enjoy the latest high def audio on my perfectly good but aging receiver. NOTE: All first generation HD DVD players had analog outputs. On the current models (A2, A20 & XA2) only the XA2 has analog outputs. The A20 & XA2 output 1080p video; the A2 only 1080i.

2- Upconverting. I own 100+ DVD's, and have a 3 at a time membership with Netflix. Even if my entire collection of DVD's were suddenly all available in high-def, budget constraints would prevent me from replacing them. Also, I have a very wide range of tastes for movies including foreign and independent / "art house" releases that I rent and purchase, and they won't be out in high def for many years. So, getting the best quality display of standard DVD is very important to me. I had a Denon upconverting player before I bought my XA1 that I thought was excellent. The XA1 is the best upconverting player I've seen; I put my Denon out on eBay.

3- Price. Although I preferred the less expensive A1 model, when I bought my player just a few weeks after the initial format launch last year the A1's were almost impossible to find. With the deal I got on my XA1 - free shipping, no tax, free HD DVD's - the XA1 ended up costing me about $125 more than I would have paid for an A1 locally at the $499 MSRP plus sales tax. The announced MSRP of Blu-ray players then were at $999 or higher.

4- Available HD Titles. Because I kept reading claims of "overwhelming studio support" for Blu-ray, I looked carefully into this. I reviewed my DVD collection and list of "My Movies" on IMDB.com, which I use for a list of upcoming movies I'm interested in. For my tastes and preferences, the 4 Blu-ray exclusive studios - Fox, Sony, Disney & Lionsgate - by far had the least number of titles I wanted. I'm divorced and happily single, so few Disney PG films interest me. Fox I just plain out don't like, but that's just me. Sony DVD's I'm very leery of because I've experienced a mixed bag of poor quality encodes and their copy protections schemes making playback buggy. I do like their SuperBit releases, and own several. So, I was content with the Warner Brothers / Paramount / Universal / Magnolia / Weinstein support for HD DVD. NOTE: Only Universal & Weinstein are exclusive to HD DVD.
For the releases I do want from the BD exclusive studios, I rent the DVD or wait for them on an HD movie channel.

5- Reliability. I've owned Toshiba TV's and DVD players and have been very pleased with their quality and durability. I own 40 HD DVD's, and have had playback issues with only two. "Constantine" kept freezing up. When I finally ejected & inspected the disk, it had some adhesive gunk on it. (As it was a new purchase, I hadn't bothered) When I cleaned it off, it played fine. On "Happy Feet", I got the dreaded freeze at 28:50 into the movie. There was apparently a bad batch of pressings. I did watch the entire movie by fast-forwarding through that section, but I returned it to Amazon and am waiting for a replacement. I like the Ethernet internet connection - I'm able to upgrade to the newest Firmware as soon as it's released. And yes, to be honest, I had issues with the newest 2.1 FW - the new HDCP handshaking protocol created a lot of problems for my DVI connection. As I signed up for Toshiba's free mailing of firmware CD's by mail, I had a copy of FW 2.0 and was able to revert back. And Warner has announced the upcoming HD DVD release of "Blood Diamond" will use the players' internet connection to interactivity with content on the disc. Cool new stuff one should expect from the next generation high def players.

6- HD DVD movie quality. I've been very pleased with the video and audio quality of my HD DVD's. The animated "Happy Feet" is the best display I've ever seen on my HDTV. Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire, A Scanner Darkly, Children of Men are all excellent. The TrueHD audio on Batman Begins and Superman Returns really gets the house shaking. I'm amazed at how good a 50 year old film like John Wayne's "The Searchers" looks, and another older releases such as "The Unforgiven" and Blazzing Saddles" are also impressive.

OK, so that's what I like about my HD DVD player, and why I chose it. What do you like about yours? I'd be especially interested in what owners of both formats like or prefer with their players. :up
 
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I must point out that there are 8 major studios, and out of these, FIVE support Blu-ray exclusively: Lions Gate, MGM, Sony, 20th Century Fox and Disney (which includes WD Home Entertainment, Hollywood Pictures Home Video, Touchstone, Miramax, Buena Vista, Dimension Home Video and Disney DVD). Two support both formats: Paramount and Warner. One supports HD DVD exclusively: Universal. Weinstein is not considered one of the 8 major studios.

We have two other forums for discussing the benefits of each format without battles. This forum is for the battles. Perhaps folks looking for info with no "war zone" type repartee should be directed to one of the two forums established for the purpose.
 
I disagree with you Navy... There are plenty of threads in this forum bashing each format. There needs to be a thread where people can come to be informed and see the benefits of each format without the hate and bashing.

S~
 
I must point out that there are 8 major studios, and out of these, FIVE support Blu-ray exclusively: Lions Gate, MGM, Sony, 20th Century Fox and Disney (which includes WD Home Entertainment, Hollywood Pictures Home Video, Touchstone, Miramax, Buena Vista, Dimension Home Video and Disney DVD). Two support both formats: Paramount and Warner. One supports HD DVD exclusively: Universal. Weinstein is not considered one of the 8 major studios.

I honestly forgot about MGM. I know they were bought out a few years back, and it confuses me as to who owns what. Early in the launch of Blu-ray, Sony said they were releasing MGM titles, and then suddenly that was changed to Fox. According to Wikipedia:
On April 8, 2005, the company was acquired by a partnership led by Sony and Comcast in association with Texas Pacific Group (now TPG Capital, L.P.) and Providence Equity Partners. Sony Pictures Entertainment will distribute several MGM/Sony (with either Columbia or TriStar Pictures) co-productions - most notably Casino Royale - but outside of the co-productions MGM is now actively involved in acquiring worldwide film rights and distributing theatrical motion pictures domestically. 20th Century Fox will be handling the international theatrical distribution and worldwide home video distribution of MGM titles.


Because Weinstein is "not considered one of the 8 major studios", they shouldn't be included? By the way, who gets to decide which is one of the Major 8 Studios? I think we should include any studio releasing on HD DVD or Blu-ray when discussing content for the formats. I also included Magnolia, Mark Cuban's studio. Not a major studio' but releasing in HD DVD & BD. I own HD DVD's from both Magnolia & Weinstein.

We have two other forums for discussing the benefits of each format without battles. This forum is for the battles. Perhaps folks looking for info with no "war zone" type repartee should be directed to one of the two forums established for the purpose.

OK.
 
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I disagree with you Navy... There are plenty of threads in this forum bashing each format. There needs to be a thread where people can come to be informed and see the benefits of each format without the hate and bashing.

S~

That is what the HD DVD and Blu Ray forums are for not the war zone.
 
That is what the HD DVD and Blu Ray forums are for not the war zone.

Don, Moderator just PM'd me & we discussed whether we should move my post to the HD DVD section. We decided to leave it here. So, I'll edit my original post and take out the "pretty please, be nice" and change it so folks will free to bash away. :D
 
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Therefore I will be second in posting my choices....

My Home Theater:
Projector: Sharp XV-Z20000 w/100" Stewart Screen (Waiting for the SIM2 C5 Three Chip )
AMP and Processor: Lexicon ZX7 and MC12 HD
Speakers: Klipsch THX KL-650 (3), Kl-525 (2), KL-525 S(2), KW-120 (2)
HD-DVD: Toshiba XA2

Family Room:
TV: Mitsubishi 65831
Receiver: Denon 4806CI
Speakers: M&K 150's ( 3LCR, 2 S), BG Radia 210i Sub (Best Sounding Sub)
HD-DVD: Toshiba A1
BD: Panasonic

I'll follow Cochiseguy's format:

1. Compatability: All three of my hidef players have been 100% compatible with my system using HDMI with all three players. Toshibas came with advanced audio as that was part of the HD-DVD Standard. I chose the Panasonic player over all other BD players because it was the only player to guarantee advanced audio decoding, although I don't know how important it is right now as everyone except FOX uses Uncompressed PCM, and no one in the BD camp uses DD TrueHD right now. SInce the 2.0 update for Advaced Audio Codec, DTS-HD sounds terrific. The Panasonic also came with BDJ and is the only player to support DVD-A. I am not interested in internet connectivity so that was not a concern. The Panasonic also comes with 7.1 analogs, but I don't use them.

2. Upconverting: The XA2 is by far the best player for upconverting SD-DVD's. Not quite HD-DVD or BD quality, but it is damn good. The Panasonic out of the box blew the big one on upconverting, but after the 1.4 update, it is still quite good, but does not beat the XA2 or A1.

3. Price: Hands down goes to HD-DVD. MY A1 was 499 list and my XA2 was 599 list. I won't list what I paid for them. I paid 999 for the Panasonic through Robert as we don't deal with Panasonic right now. We're looking at it though as their new line of 1080p Plasmas are quite nice.

4. Available HD Titles: I own 2-1 HD-DVD over Blu-ray (75-30). As with Cochise, the titles I prefer are Universal, Weinstein, Warner, and Paramount. I bought Casino Royale, but I much prefer movies that have some though like CoM, TGS, and Good Night, and Good Luck (Warner). I will not replace my Disney/Pixar animation, but I might replace the Pirate Series. Might wait to see if they have a Box set later on when 3 comes out on BR.

5. Reliability: To be honest, all of my players have been rock solid. All updates have gone without a hitch. I don't have 2.1 yet, but I don't use a HDMI>DVI connector, so I'm not worried. The only title I had problems with was "The Good Shepard". I washed the disc with Sparkle cleaner and dried it with a 100% cotton cloth and it worked fine.

HD Movie Quality: I didn't buy Fifth Element, HoFD on BD, because of the known PQ limitation. All other Discs in both formats have looked from quite good to spectacular depending on the titles.

S~
 
That is what the HD DVD and Blu Ray forums are for not the war zone.

Just because it is the war zone, doesn't mean every thread has to be a war. One poster here, wish I could remember who it was, said he found the threads uninformative and will remain on the fence. It would be nice to see a thread like this where people can be informed about all players and why they were chosen, especially since many of us have both formats.

S~
 
Just because it is the war zone, doesn't mean every thread has to be a war. One poster here, wish I could remember who it was, said he found the threads uninformative and will remain on the fence. It would be nice to see a thread like this where people can be informed about all players and why they were chosen, especially since many of us have both formats.

S~

Then there should be that type of thread in each forum. IMO that makes the most sense. I would like to see this and have them made sticky so they will always be seen.
 
I disagree with you Navy... There are plenty of threads in this forum bashing each format. There needs to be a thread where people can come to be informed and see the benefits of each format without the hate and bashing.
S~

That's what the other two forums are for. That's why we have 3 forums today. I don't mean to be rude about it. And I wouldn't call what goes on in the War Zone "hate" or even too much "bashing." We've all seen much worse.

IIRC, the "8 major" were picked because together they cover- oh, I don't know, 80% - 90% of the box office? It is commonly used- google it. However, per this link Weinstein is #9 and very close to #8, as is #10, so maybe we should start referring to the "10 major studios." Does Focus Features release anything in high def? And note, these guys at the link don't even list MGM (I still don't understand what's going on with them) and list Buena Vista as a separate studio.

So yeah, maybe we should consider everybody releasing significant numbers in high def, either format. We'll just finesse defining "significant." And there aren't significant adult releases in high def. Yet.

How long ago did the Weinstein guys leave Miramax and start their own? Now that I've seen the figures- they're not doing bad, especially for a new studio.

on edit: Wow- lot's of posts while I was slowly composing mine.
 
However, per this link Weinstein is #9 and very close to #8, as is #10, so maybe we should start referring to the "10 major studios." Does Focus Features release anything in high def? And note, these guys at the link don't even list MGM (I still don't understand what's going on with them) and list Buena Vista as a separate studio.

So yeah, maybe we should consider everybody releasing significant numbers in high def, either format. We'll just finesse defining "significant." And there aren't significant adult releases in high def. Yet.

How long ago did the Weinstein guys leave Miramax and start their own? Now that I've seen the figures- they're not doing bad, especially for a new studio.

Good link, thanks. I think MGM isn't listed because the studios are ranked by box office receipts, and as I understand it, the buyout of MGM means they don't release any new movies. For example, the James Bond franchise was MGM's, but Sony brought out the new movie.

Weinsteins founded Miramax in 1979, bought out by Disney in 1993, and they parted ways in 2005.

New Line is a subsidiary of Warner; no high def releases of their films yet. Focus Features is a subsidiary of Universal. Brokeback Mountain is one of their biggest releases, and is out in HD DVD.
 
I disagree with you Navy... There are plenty of threads in this forum bashing each format. There needs to be a thread where people can come to be informed and see the benefits of each format without the hate and bashing.

S~
You can always perform a thread enema for him using the ignore button.
 
Good link, thanks. I think MGM isn't listed because the studios are ranked by box office receipts, and as I understand it, the buyout of MGM means they don't release any new movies. For example, the James Bond franchise was MGM's, but Sony brought out the new movie.

Weinsteins founded Miramax in 1979, bought out by Disney in 1993, and they parted ways in 2005.

New Line is a subsidiary of Warner; no high def releases of their films yet. Focus Features is a subsidiary of Universal. Brokeback Mountain is one of their biggest releases, and is out in HD DVD.

Sounds like we could redefine the membership of the "8 major studios" and now Weinstein would be one of them.
 
Guys I asked CochiseGuy if he wanted to move it as it is a good topic, for HD DVD but he wanted the option for the Blu-Ray folks to join in... I currently have HD DVD and if Blu-Ray prices come down will probably get one of those also, after all were here for HD are we not?
 
Guys I asked CochiseGuy if he wanted to move it as it is a good topic, for HD DVD but he wanted the option for the Blu-Ray folks to join in... I currently have HD DVD and if Blu-Ray prices come down will probably get one of those also, after all were here for HD are we not?

Yep. Above all else I'm an HD fan boi. ;) If'n it ain't in HD, I rarely watch it. I have Dish Network (I guess "E*" is the correct acronym? Only Top 60, with HD bronze package. I'm 50 miles away from Tucson local broadcast towers and went to the trouble of mounting a 8' UHF directional antenna on a 25' pole to get HD network programming because I couldn't stand E*'s SD local programing. I bet I spend less than an hour or two per month watching any of the Top 60 SD programming.

I would consider a BD player if prices come down and the studio allegiances remain the unchanged. I appreciated reading teachsac's setup with the Panasonic BD player, it sounds to me like the best BD player so far. I look forward to hearing about other BD owner's setups and thoughts. :)
 
I would consider a BD player if prices come down and the studio allegiances remain the unchanged. I appreciated reading teachsac's setup with the Panasonic BD player, it sounds to me like the best BD player so far. I look forward to hearing about other BD owner's setups and thoughts. :)

You're welcome. I enjoy both formats and rarely criticize either unless warranted. I would like to see everyone post what they bought and why they like it. Any one know what Joe bought? Just kiiding with ya Joe:D I would particularly like to hear from anyone that has picked up the new Samsung. I'm just way too busy right now to do a lot of research and reading. Sign in, post, and go.... See ya in a few days or so.

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