What bird did we get?

[gittist]

Looking to find Galaxy 19. Used dishpointer.com, a lensatic compass to find 221 degrees(magnetic), and then did the up, down, left right routine while my wife watched the numbers on the screen. Once we got better numbers than 43 signal strength and 5 quality, I locked the dish down, did a TP scan, then autoscan (blind) but all we got was the Shalom channel on 179, several scrambled Russian stations, and similar radio stations. Any idea what bird we tied into?

I don't know whether to have any faith in the numbers on the screen but 11751 H 22228 showed up relating to Shalom.

How close to you have to be to get in the ball park? We have a Manhattan RS1933 and this is the first time in trying this.

 

[KE4EST]

Shalom TV is on 99W so you are next door. Back to the east just a bit and raise elevation a tad, to get 97W.

 

[jmc98]

Looking to find Galaxy 19. Used dishpointer.com, a lensatic compass to find 221 degrees(magnetic), and then did the up, down, left right routine while my wife watched the numbers on the screen. Once we got better numbers than 43 signal strength and 5 quality, I locked the dish down, did a TP scan, then autoscan (blind) but all we got was the Shalom channel on 179, several scrambled Russian stations, and similar radio stations. Any idea what bird we tied into?

I don't know whether to have any faith in the numbers on the screen but 11751 H 22228 showed up relating to Shalom.

How close to you have to be to get in the ball park? We have a Manhattan RS1933 and this is the first time in trying this.

it sounds like you found galaxy 16 @ 99w transponder 11800 H 30000

 

[. Raine]

Sounds like you're on 99W, Galaxy 16, judging from the channels, but those numbers don't match for that, so maybe not, or your LNB Lo could be set wrong maybe. look on The List, here on this site, Sathint, or lyngsat and you might be able to figure it out better what your'e on from the channel lists. Sathint is the easiest one for me to understand, of the three.

To be in the ballpark you have to be pretty much right on, just a little off one way or the other and you might not get the sat you want. If you are on 99W, you're not too far off from 97W, Galaxy 19. Probably you'd pick it up if you just moved the dish in small increments east, shouldn't take much, 97 and 99 are right next to each other.

Mark your pole and mount with a marker before you move it, then you can always get back to where you were.

 

[FaT Air]

The 'classic' 150Mhz error caused by incorrect L.O. setting. 10750(standard) - 10600(universal) = 11800 - 11751
The + 1 to 3Mhz is just L.O. accuracy.
1) Use a marker on the dish mount/pole when on this satellite and seeing Shalom.
2) Move dish east so that Q on Shalom is just lost. (May be 1/2 the mark you place on the mount/pole)
4) Should be close to 97W, try a blind scan, then tune up for max. May have to aim just slightly higher, less than 1°.
Better yet, change/correct the L.O. setting as step 3. Then watch an active 97W transponder and tune for max. then blind or TP scan.

 

[FaT Air]

Last edited by ke4est; Yesterday at 11:19 PM. Reason: typo

And I have spell-check enabled.(??) I try
Just noticed, it's not the 'classic' 150Mhz error, it's just 50Mhz. ((11800 - 11751)) So must have L.O. as 10700 instead of 10750. (I've done it myself, more than once, setting L.O. wrong)

 

[Mr Tony]

you must barely be on 99W as there are usually news feeds on there too

 

[Jim S.]

For me, the feeds on 99 have always been really weak. (Must be an uplink thing -- it can't be a weak satellite because the Russian mux is really strong and it's S2!)

 

[turbosat]

Ok I'm going to answer him, if you're off more than 1/4" rotation of your mount on the pole, you've probably missed the satellite. (LOL)
Truly, there's a lot of variables to consider in a proper answer to that question, but on my 1m primestar dishes, it seems to be between 1/4 and 1/8", between marking the satellite positions on the pole for two degree-spaced ku birds (if I'm twisting the dish/mount manually). So yes you have to be very close to the ballpark.

 

[gittist]

Thanks for all of the advice and help. I finally tied into G 19 and getting a lot of channels although most are not in English. I'm not even off of the mark that I made for the other satellite but since I changed the elevation a little I don't get that one anymore (no problem).

 

[KE4EST]

And I have spell-check enabled.(??) I try
Just noticed, it's not the 'classic' 150Mhz error, it's just 50Mhz. ((11800 - 11751)) So must have L.O. as 10700 instead of 10750. (I've done it myself, more than once, setting L.O. wrong)

I usually don't mess with peoples misspellings, I make 'em myself at times, but it was your numbers and they were off enough to confuse the OP more.

 

[gittist]

I haven't done anything with the system for over a year now due to some other issues. In spite of my previous post that said I was on G19, I doubt that I ever was. During the winter time the wind moved the dish so I'm back trying to find G19. Between two compasses, a digital sat finder, an align-a-site, and a couple of android sat finder aps, it appears that G19 is above the gully between two trees. Clear line of sight. The sat finder howls, I turn it down a little, go left and right, p and down and settle on the strongest signal. Take the sat finder out of the loop and do a single sat search, nothing. Added 9 satellites to the east of G19 and about 9 to the west. multi sat Blind scan, auto scan, preset scan all result in nothing. I'm getting tired of seeing the word 'fail' and 'no program found' on the screen.

The mast is plumb. I have the LNB set to 9750-10600 universal and powered. I only have K band sats on the list. I've tried skewing the LNB both left, right,and in the middle, no difference.

From what I've read and what has been said, I should be on the satellite except I ain't got nothing! Would erasing the channels from the other satellite have anything to do with the situation? Maybe a factory reset on the box?


This is the system I have:

Manhattan RS-1933 HD DVB-S2 PVR Receiver with HDMI Out, Blind Scan, Manual PID Entry, & AC3 Audio. Patriot 36x31" Offset Ku Dish with Triple Bracket. Avenger 0.2dB NF Universal Single Ku LNB!

I'm thinking about taking the dish down, taping the receiver into the middle of it and pumping some lead through it.

Anyone in central PA?

 

[FaT Air]

Think there's been a realignment / change of the transponder frequencies since you last had it operating. May need to delete transponders and add the new ones to find it. Use member northgeorgia's
Galaxy 19 - 97W Ku-band channel guide (Aug. 8 update) for the most current TP info.
Should need to only add a few to confirm 97W, blind scan the rest in.

 

[gittist]

Thank you. I checked the listing and the two transponder freqs I had written down last night are there so I'll try it today. Are the signals there 24/7?

 

[FTA4PA]

I haven't done anything with the system for over a year now due to some other issues. In spite of my previous post that said I was on G19, I doubt that I ever was. During the winter time the wind moved the dish so I'm back trying to find G19. Between two compasses, a digital sat finder, an align-a-site, and a couple of android sat finder aps, it appears that G19 is above the gully between two trees. Clear line of sight. The sat finder howls, I turn it down a little, go left and right, p and down and settle on the strongest signal. Take the sat finder out of the loop and do a single sat search, nothing. Added 9 satellites to the east of G19 and about 9 to the west. multi sat Blind scan, auto scan, preset scan all result in nothing. I'm getting tired of seeing the word 'fail' and 'no program found' on the screen.

The mast is plumb. I have the LNB set to 9750-10600 universal and powered. I only have K band sats on the list. I've tried skewing the LNB both left, right,and in the middle, no difference.

From what I've read and what has been said, I should be on the satellite except I ain't got nothing! Would erasing the channels from the other satellite have anything to do with the situation? Maybe a factory reset on the box?


This is the system I have:

Manhattan RS-1933 HD DVB-S2 PVR Receiver with HDMI Out, Blind Scan, Manual PID Entry, & AC3 Audio. Patriot 36x31" Offset Ku Dish with Triple Bracket. Avenger 0.2dB NF Universal Single Ku LNB!

I'm thinking about taking the dish down, taping the receiver into the middle of it and pumping some lead through it.

Anyone in central PA?

Sorry you are having such a hard time. Don't feel bad, I was all over and couldn't get signal when I first tried. Finally got it with dishpointer and a cheapy analog sat finder but it took a while. Actually found the motorized c band easier to set up than the ku. Know you've probably been told this and done it but check everything again. Double check receiver settings such as lnb lo frequency, power on to lnb, etc. Is the pole perfectly plumb and solid (doesn't move or sag at all when dish is on it). Use dishpointer.com, zoom in on your location, drop the pin exactly where your dish is mounted, select your sat, find an object in the distance that falls on the green line and aim dish there. Make sure lnb skew is set to what dishpointer says (anthing else will cause issues). When you set your elevation and look for a sat, make sure you have a known good transponder programmed in the receiver and your signal meter up. If you haven't done so and can, take a tv and your receiver out to the dish. Adjust the dish very slowly in tiny increments, first left, then right from center and always wait at least 10 seconds after making any adjustment to give the receiver a chance to lock a signal. If nothing, recenter dish on the distant object from dishpointer and try a degree at a time higher or lower and repeat. When you tried last year you were able to scan a channel so at that point everything was functional. Are you getting any signals now, if not the lnb could have failed. This can happen if a cable is disconnected while power is applied. If you are getting a signal, stop and do a single satellite blind scan and post the channel results so we can figure out what sat you are on and where you need to go from there. Also, mark and label that spot (both elevation and azimuth) so you can return there if needed. Above all, hang in there. It can be difficult but also very rewarding when you finally get it!

 

[FaT Air]

And instead of just panning the dish left-right. Make very small 'steps' and wait on each 'step' for 5 to 10 seconds. These signals are weak so it may take some time for it to lock onto the signal and display Quality reading. If nothing is 'had' the first pass across 'the green line' raise or lower the dish slightly and repeat.

 

[FTA4PA]

Didn't I say that in #15?
Seriously though, it's very good advice that can't be stressed enough.

 

[gittist]

My system will live to see another day and won't end end being ventilated with lead. I'm on G19 with lots of channels. At least on this if I have 300 channels and nothing to watch it's no big deal, I'm not paying $100+/month. Thanks to all who left comments!

 

[FTA4PA]

Great! Glad you got it! Quite a few channels, just need to sort them out. Several news channels, Rev'n, Retro TV, English language movies and shows on KTV 2 and Saudi 2, cooking/health on Smart Lifestyle TV, religious programming.

 

[gittist]

I saw Retro on the 'list' but I can't find it on the STB program guide. Are the amount of FTA programs getting larger or smaller over time? I was wondering about a motor but according to the list there are only 4 satellites that seem to have anything of interest to me.

It appears that G19 is heavy on religion and middle eastern channels. Are there any satellites with European, North or South American channels?

Thanks