[VOOM] is this "fixable"

[Sean Butler]

So here is a question that is somewhat hard to explain...

When a channel is broadcasting in SD but in 16x9 with side bars, I want to
pass that to a 4:3 SD TV over the coax out. But the picture becomes
"squished" as I get side bars on the SD TV.

Anyway to get a standard SD 4:3 signal out the non HD outputs from the voom
box? I'm basically running an old TV in the basement via the co-ax out in
the family room where the HD TV is, but would like to see a decent picture.

Thanks,
Sean


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[seattlesatelliter]

[VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

Sorry, Sean, can't answer this for you. One of the other members
should be able to help you.

Still enjoying HDTV under clear (no rain for 10 days) Seattle skies, Gill


--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Sean Butler <sean@2...> wrote:
>
> So here is a question that is somewhat hard to explain...
>
> When a channel is broadcasting in SD but in 16x9 with side bars, I
want to
> pass that to a 4:3 SD TV over the coax out. But the picture becomes
> "squished" as I get side bars on the SD TV.
>
> Anyway to get a standard SD 4:3 signal out the non HD outputs from
the voom
> box? I'm basically running an old TV in the basement via the co-ax
out in
> the family room where the HD TV is, but would like to see a decent
picture.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean





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[CraziFuzzy]

Set the Wide to Narrow setting in picture formats to CROP. This will take just the center 4x3 part of the screen and display it on your TV.

 

[thegrod]

I had the same problem and cam up with an almost fix. If you make the
resolution of the VOOM output 480p instead of 480i and then go to the
picture format option in the Systems settings page. You know: hit VOOM
button and then the green button twice to get to systems settings. Then
select "Picture Format". I chose Narrow to Wide-----Stretch and Wide to
Narrow---Crop. This seems to work. When you first tune an SD channel you
can an instant of the narrower version with side bars and then it stretches
it out. I don't think this winds up cropped like a normal SD picture but it
is very close. The channel numbers to get a bit obscured after the stretch.
This is the best that I've come up with. I found no way in 480i to
eliminate the sidebars and they look terrible on an SD TV.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Butler" <sean@2sparrows.org>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: [VOOM] is this "fixable"


>
>
> So here is a question that is somewhat hard to explain...
>
> When a channel is broadcasting in SD but in 16x9 with side bars, I want to
> pass that to a 4:3 SD TV over the coax out. But the picture becomes
> "squished" as I get side bars on the SD TV.
>
> Anyway to get a standard SD 4:3 signal out the non HD outputs from the
> voom
> box? I'm basically running an old TV in the basement via the co-ax out in
> the family room where the HD TV is, but would like to see a decent
> picture.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>



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[thegrod]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

CraziFuzzy and Sean Butler---
On an SD TV you will also need to change to 480p I believe and then that
will work as I described.
----- Original Message -----
From: "CraziFuzzy" <satguys2004@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"


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> Set the Wide to Narrow setting in picture formats to CROP. This will
> take just the center 4x3 part of the screen and display it on your TV.
>
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[thegrod]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

The HD will not be affected from what I can tell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "thegrod" <bruceg@htva.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"


>
> CraziFuzzy and Sean Butler---
> On an SD TV you will also need to change to 480p I believe and then that
> will work as I described.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:24 AM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"
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>> take just the center 4x3 part of the screen and display it on your TV.
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[Sean Butler]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

CraziFuzzy wrote:
>
> Set the Wide to Narrow setting in picture formats to CROP. This will
> take just the center 4x3 part of the screen and display it on your TV.

Does this only affect the SD outputs on the STB? I don't want to change
how my component/dvi HD output works.

Thanks,
Sean


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[Sean Butler]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

thegrod wrote:
> The HD will not be affected from what I can tell.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thegrod" <bruceg@htva.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"
>
>
> >
> > CraziFuzzy and Sean Butler---
> > On an SD TV you will also need to change to 480p I believe and then that
> > will work as I described.


Maybe I wasn't clear, but now let me try to fix that.

I have one Voom STB in my house. It is in the family room and I have a DVI
<-> HDMI cable for the HD TV in that room.

Then, I have a coax cable distribution to get from the output of the Voom
STB to TV's in my basement, kitchen, and bedroom. These are all SD TV's so
I don't really need an HD feed, and hence no need for an HD STB in those
rooms. (And we never watch more than one channel from the STB in the house
at the same time.)

So any setting on the STB in the family room that affects the DVI or
component output is not really something I want to fool with.

From my former set up (w/ Dish), I had a Tivo power the cable distribution
system which was great b/c then I had Tivo in all rooms. I had left the
tivo in place with voom for a while, but wanted to see if I could get the
voom stb to fix this SD picture quality issue.

If it's not fixable that's fine I was just curious if anyone had a way
around it. I will try the crop wide <-> narrow later to see if it does not
affect the HD signal.

Thanks,
Sean



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[thegrod]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

Sean,
Are you trying to use a SD and an HD on one STB? That one I don't know
about. But if you are using two separate TV's, one HD and one SD, and two
STB's you should be fine. The HD channels on the SD set will not come out
distorted based on what I am looking at but they will be very slightly
stretched. I guess it's the best compromise I could find.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Butler" <sean@2sparrows.org>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"


>
> thegrod wrote:
>> The HD will not be affected from what I can tell.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "thegrod" <bruceg@htva.net>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"
>>
>>
>> >
>> > CraziFuzzy and Sean Butler---
>> > On an SD TV you will also need to change to 480p I believe and then
>> that
>> > will work as I described.
>
>
> Maybe I wasn't clear, but now let me try to fix that.
>
> I have one Voom STB in my house. It is in the family room and I have a
> DVI
> <-> HDMI cable for the HD TV in that room.
>
> Then, I have a coax cable distribution to get from the output of the Voom
> STB to TV's in my basement, kitchen, and bedroom. These are all SD TV's
> so
> I don't really need an HD feed, and hence no need for an HD STB in those
> rooms. (And we never watch more than one channel from the STB in the
> house
> at the same time.)
>
> So any setting on the STB in the family room that affects the DVI or
> component output is not really something I want to fool with.
>
> From my former set up (w/ Dish), I had a Tivo power the cable distribution
> system which was great b/c then I had Tivo in all rooms. I had left the
> tivo in place with voom for a while, but wanted to see if I could get the
> voom stb to fix this SD picture quality issue.
>
> If it's not fixable that's fine I was just curious if anyone had a way
> around it. I will try the crop wide <-> narrow later to see if it does
> not
> affect the HD signal.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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[Sean Butler]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

thegrod wrote:
> Sean,
> Are you trying to use a SD and an HD on one STB? That one I don't know
> about. But if you are using two separate TV's, one HD and one SD, and two
> STB's you should be fine. The HD channels on the SD set will not come out
> distorted based on what I am looking at but they will be very slightly
> stretched. I guess it's the best compromise I could find.

Yes, I just have one STB. It powers an HD TV in the family room, and then
I'd like the co-ax out to send signal to 3 different SD TV's around the
house. So any changes I make to the STB I don't want to change how the STB
sends HD signal over component and DVI. I just want it to change the
output it sends to the co-ax/s-video...

Thanks,
Sean


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[DM]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

I think the "CROP" option is what you are looking for. The STB will (and must) down-convert the image to 480i for the RF (coax as you call it), composite, and S-Video outputs. Only the component and DVI outputs will be affected by the 1080i/720p/480p/native settings. Based upon my experience and as was mentioned before, the CROP option displays just the 4:3 part of the image in the moiddle of the screen and doesn't add the black bars on the left and right side as part of the picture.

Good luck,

Doug

Sean Butler <sean@2sparrows.org> wrote:
thegrod wrote:
> Sean,
> Are you trying to use a SD and an HD on one STB? That one I don't know
> about. But if you are using two separate TV's, one HD and one SD, and two
> STB's you should be fine. The HD channels on the SD set will not come out
> distorted based on what I am looking at but they will be very slightly
> stretched. I guess it's the best compromise I could find.

Yes, I just have one STB. It powers an HD TV in the family room, and then
I'd like the co-ax out to send signal to 3 different SD TV's around the
house. So any changes I make to the STB I don't want to change how the STB
sends HD signal over component and DVI. I just want it to change the
output it sends to the co-ax/s-video...

Thanks,
Sean

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[thegrod]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

Try what I suggested but leave the unit at 1080i instead of 480p, I guess,
and see if it works on an SD set. Have you used the two sets on one STB
before? The the suggestion is to try crop and and stretch options. What I
did is tried them all starting with what I thought would work and then
different combos.
It is best after you change a setting to get completely out of the menus and
switch channels and then back. The STB seems to adjust the picture when you
tune to a new channel.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Butler" <sean@2sparrows.org>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"


>
> thegrod wrote:
>> Sean,
>> Are you trying to use a SD and an HD on one STB? That one I don't know
>> about. But if you are using two separate TV's, one HD and one SD, and
>> two
>> STB's you should be fine. The HD channels on the SD set will not come
>> out
>> distorted based on what I am looking at but they will be very slightly
>> stretched. I guess it's the best compromise I could find.
>
> Yes, I just have one STB. It powers an HD TV in the family room, and then
> I'd like the co-ax out to send signal to 3 different SD TV's around the
> house. So any changes I make to the STB I don't want to change how the
> STB
> sends HD signal over component and DVI. I just want it to change the
> output it sends to the co-ax/s-video...
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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[Sean Butler]

Re: [VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

thegrod wrote:
> Try what I suggested but leave the unit at 1080i instead of 480p, I guess,
> and see if it works on an SD set. Have you used the two sets on one STB
> before? The the suggestion is to try crop and and stretch options. What I
> did is tried them all starting with what I thought would work and then
> different combos.
> It is best after you change a setting to get completely out of the menus
> and
> switch channels and then back. The STB seems to adjust the picture when
> you
> tune to a new channel.

Thanks I'll give this a shot later... I used to run this set up fine with
Dish and Tivo, with the Tivo powering the whole house. But I have not
played with it with voom until now.

/Sean


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[x_rayrob28]

[VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

> Thanks I'll give this a shot later... I used to run this set up
fine with
> Dish and Tivo, with the Tivo powering the whole house. But I have
not
> played with it with voom until now.
>
> /Sean

Ok, I do the same thing you're talking about now. My SD tv's look
great and my HDTV is in 1080i. Like someone else said, when the
signal isn't going through component or DVI it's already converted
to SD. So here's my settings...

While watching your HDTV:
Press the VOOM button. Then the Green button twice. Then 1icture
Format
Narrow to Wide ..... Stretch (you don't have to do this, but it
eliminates bars on SD channels on your HDTV)
Wide to Narrow ..... Letterbox (HD channels on an SD tv will be in
letterbox, SD channels will be perfect)

Hope this helps.

I'm running two SD tvs and my HDTV off of one STB doing the same
thing you are.





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[CraziFuzzy]

[VOOM] Re: is this "fixable"

Set the Wide to Narrow setting in picture formats to CROP. This will
take just the center 4x3 part of the screen and display it on your TV.


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