Is it possible to add an EHD to a VIP 222K? I thought you could add an EHD to any VIP unit? Thanks for the assistance.
VIP 222K & an EHD
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Yeah dahenny is definitely right. You definitely can not. I thought the very same thing. Was told the very same thing a couple of times. Well lets just say i got a 211k after I found that out to add to the system. Well I don't have the 211k anymore but it was really nice, I had a terabyte drive on it. The 922 I have now is just like it, I will never fill it up. I delete after I watch, but hey I have an extra ehd for my computer
USB 2.0 is not capable of handling the traffic required. When they update the 222k to USB 3.0 it will be capable of utilizing an external USB 3.0 EHD. Those should be out SOON since USB 3.0 is showing up on new motherboards.
Even if that were to be so, I doubt Dish will enable the 222 because of all the boxes that are not USB 3.0. People would want swap-outs and I don't see that ever happening.
This is never going to happen. The bandwidth isn't there on USB to do this without restricting the performance. We discussed it pretty well in an old thread.
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The USB 3.0 has a different USB connector. I thought like you I guess until recently and found out to go to 3.0 will take going to a new connector that none of the units have.
The USB 3.0 has a different USB connector. I thought like you I guess until recently and found out to go to 3.0 will take going to a new connector that none of the units have.
I suspect it is not bandwidth, or at least that is not all. They get 2 paths with the 211, don't they? They would have a harder time fully supporting 4 path total to the 2 tuners. Maybe they could give you DVR effects on TV1 and have TV2 just be plain. That would make it like a 211 DVR with a 211 non-DVR, non-HD added on. Certainly PIP and swapping would complicate the software. Just my thoughts.
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The point is we really do prefer and were expecting DVR experience like the dual tuner internal HDD boxes. That is why many of us purchased the 222/K's.
Every other STB maker chose and provided an eSATA port for external HDD DVR functions as far back as 2006, but Dish went with USB 2.0 for 222/K's. Cheap and ubiquitous?
I think the different connector is not a problem as WD promotes an adapter that will allow some of their USB 2.0 external HDD's to upgrade to USB 3.0. I think the key is if the 222/K's have the hardware to allow for USB 3.0. If so, then an adapter like the WD models could work.
Every other STB maker chose and provided an eSATA port for external HDD DVR functions as far back as 2006, but Dish went with USB 2.0 for 222/K's. Cheap and ubiquitous?
I think the different connector is not a problem as WD promotes an adapter that will allow some of their USB 2.0 external HDD's to upgrade to USB 3.0. I think the key is if the 222/K's have the hardware to allow for USB 3.0. If so, then an adapter like the WD models could work.
An adapter would not be capable of actually supporting the USB 3.0 specifications, so it would not fix the problem. And, the 222k would still be hamstrung with USB 2.0. So what would be the point of an adapter?
And, if the 222k had a true USB 3.0 port you would have to use a USB 3.0 EHD. If the EHD were USB 2.0 it would be hamstrung by the USB 2.0 limitations!
P.S.
I went to the Western Digital website, searched for a USB 3.0 adapter, and the only item found on their website is an adapter that plugs into the PC to give you a USB 3.0 port. This would not in any way be of any use for the 222k.
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USB 3.0
USB3.com - USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Product Site by USBGear.com
USB 3.0 SuperSpeed
Features and Highlights
* 5Gbit/s Bus Speed! There is some spec overhead but speeds of 4Gbits are achievable.
* Backwards compatibility with USB 2.0 hi-speed devices.
* The new 500MB/s speeds can only be achieved using a USB 3.0 Standard-B plug.
* Cable makeup: 2 wires for power and ground, 2 for Hi-Speed backward compatibility, 4 wires for the new Superspeed.
* Improved power efficiency! USB 3.0 has no device polling and lower active and idle power requirements.
USB 3.0 Specification Explained
USB 3.0 plugs will be backwards compatabile with USB 2.0 devices and plugs, respectively. However, a new receptacle has been created "USB 3.0 Standard-B" which can only accept a USB 3.0 Standard-B device plug.
A big difference between the SuperSpeed 3.0 spec and the 2.0 Hi-Speed spec is how it communicates with devices. The new USB 3.0 SuperSpeed creates a communication pipeline with host and each device or a "host-directed protocol". The older USB 2.0 Hi-Speed broadcasted packets to all devices.
The SuperSpeed USB 3.0 mode provided by the new specification happens over 2 pairs of wires using dual-simplex signaling. This is all in addition to the older backward compatabile wires. The cable consists of:
* Ground
* Power
* 2 x Hi-Speed
* 4 x SuperSpeed
Power Management Features:
* Idle
* Sleep
* Suspend
* Link
* Device
* Function
Diagrams of a USB 3.0 receptacle
Photo of a USB 3.0 cable
Notice it looks very similar to a USB 3.0 cable. That's because it will be backwards compatible with USB 2.0.
USB 2.0 vs USB 3.0 SuperSpeed cable comparison photo
The dual bus architecture of SuperSpeed was attained cleverly through a composite cable and connector design that built on top of the existing USB 2.0 specification.
Here is an excellent diagram showing the dual bus architecture of the new USB 3.0 SuperSpeed spec. You will notice it has similar components as USB 2.0, interconnects, devices, hosts. One thing to note is that operating simultaneously in SuperSpeed and Hi-Speed is not allowed. It is an either or scenario.
USB 3.0 SuperSpeed can handle more power over its cable. 50% more than USB 2.0 or 150mA. Also the amount of voltage a device is required to have has dropped from 4.4V to 4V.
Even though there are no limits to the length a USB 3.0 cable can be. It has been estimated to be 3 meters to maintain SuperSpeed data transfer rates.
USB3.com - USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Product Site by USBGear.com
USB 3.0 SuperSpeed
Features and Highlights
* 5Gbit/s Bus Speed! There is some spec overhead but speeds of 4Gbits are achievable.
* Backwards compatibility with USB 2.0 hi-speed devices.
* The new 500MB/s speeds can only be achieved using a USB 3.0 Standard-B plug.
* Cable makeup: 2 wires for power and ground, 2 for Hi-Speed backward compatibility, 4 wires for the new Superspeed.
* Improved power efficiency! USB 3.0 has no device polling and lower active and idle power requirements.
USB 3.0 Specification Explained
USB 3.0 plugs will be backwards compatabile with USB 2.0 devices and plugs, respectively. However, a new receptacle has been created "USB 3.0 Standard-B" which can only accept a USB 3.0 Standard-B device plug.
A big difference between the SuperSpeed 3.0 spec and the 2.0 Hi-Speed spec is how it communicates with devices. The new USB 3.0 SuperSpeed creates a communication pipeline with host and each device or a "host-directed protocol". The older USB 2.0 Hi-Speed broadcasted packets to all devices.
The SuperSpeed USB 3.0 mode provided by the new specification happens over 2 pairs of wires using dual-simplex signaling. This is all in addition to the older backward compatabile wires. The cable consists of:
* Ground
* Power
* 2 x Hi-Speed
* 4 x SuperSpeed
Power Management Features:
* Idle
* Sleep
* Suspend
* Link
* Device
* Function
Diagrams of a USB 3.0 receptacle
Photo of a USB 3.0 cable
Notice it looks very similar to a USB 3.0 cable. That's because it will be backwards compatible with USB 2.0.
USB 2.0 vs USB 3.0 SuperSpeed cable comparison photo
The dual bus architecture of SuperSpeed was attained cleverly through a composite cable and connector design that built on top of the existing USB 2.0 specification.
Here is an excellent diagram showing the dual bus architecture of the new USB 3.0 SuperSpeed spec. You will notice it has similar components as USB 2.0, interconnects, devices, hosts. One thing to note is that operating simultaneously in SuperSpeed and Hi-Speed is not allowed. It is an either or scenario.
USB 3.0 SuperSpeed can handle more power over its cable. 50% more than USB 2.0 or 150mA. Also the amount of voltage a device is required to have has dropped from 4.4V to 4V.
Even though there are no limits to the length a USB 3.0 cable can be. It has been estimated to be 3 meters to maintain SuperSpeed data transfer rates.
Attachments
On the 211/211k the EHD on USB 2.0 can support three HD events 2-records and one playback. (1-HD record from the sat tuner,1-HD record from the antenna and 1-HD playback from the EHD)
The 222/222k under a the same conditions could work the same way the problem is that TV2 could also ask for a play back from the EHD and set up a forth event that would over load the USB 2.0 connection.
A conflict manager added to the software of the 222/222k could make it all work and force a shut down of one of the recordings,Don't think they would ever do this and even if they did they are likely to charge more for having dual satellite tuners maybe even a monthly DVR fee.
The 222/222k under a the same conditions could work the same way the problem is that TV2 could also ask for a play back from the EHD and set up a forth event that would over load the USB 2.0 connection.
A conflict manager added to the software of the 222/222k could make it all work and force a shut down of one of the recordings,Don't think they would ever do this and even if they did they are likely to charge more for having dual satellite tuners maybe even a monthly DVR fee.
