Total system re-vamp advice needed

[Stacy A]

Okay, I need some serious advice on what to do here. I am not one of these guys that believes that Dish should subsidize my every upgrade, but I want to be sure I get the best possible deal for the money that I can get, so here goes...

I have been a Dish customer for about 6 years now. In the living room I have a Dish 6000 as well as a 510 that I got free two years ago (this coming February) as part of a promotion for existing cutomers. I also have a very old receiver (model number unknown) in the bedroom and a 301 in the kids room. Outside is a Dish 500 and 300 pointed at 61.5, all self-installed and actually pretty messy looking. The LNB on the Dish 500 is a twin, I think (it has four coax outputs) and the LNB on the 61.5 has died I think (I can't get a signal from 61.5 right now and I haven't taken the time to track down the breakdown).

I want to change everything by going to a Dish 1000, getting rid of the 6000 and replacing it with a 942. What is the best deal I can get, do you think? I am not about to abuse the ceo@dish.com method. I do not insist on getting everything free or heavily discounted, but I guess I'm looking for a way to get some sort of deal for being a long time and high dollar customer. By the way, I want to move the location of the dishes about 30-50 further out, making total length from dish to switch about 100-150 feet, from dish to receiver approximately 150-200 feet. Can I go with DPP equipment on everything to get that distance with a reliable signal?

Thanks for any suggestions anyone might have.

 

[jergenf]

I want to change everything by going to a Dish 1000, getting rid of the 6000 and replacing it with a 942.

By the way, I want to move the location of the dishes about 30-50 further out, making total length from dish to switch about 100-150 feet, from dish to receiver approximately 150-200 feet. Can I go with DPP equipment on everything to get that distance with a reliable signal?

Thanks for any suggestions anyone might have.

If I understand correctly you want to replace your dish500 @ 110/119 and dish300 @ 61.5 for a single dish1000 @ 110/119/129. Assuming you don't need 61.5 for anything other than Voom, a single dish1000 should reduce clutter.

I believe the dish1000 is not dishpro plus but rather has a DP34 switch. This should allow four outputs (two for the 942, one for the 510 and 301). However the old receiver wouldn't have any connection so maybe you could leave that one on the old dish500 or buy another DP34 switch and cascade to eight outputs but if the old receiver is legacy based it may require dishpro to legacy convertor else it just won't work. Obviously find that out before buying another DP34.

Another possibility would be to see if you can get a dish1000 with a DPP44 switch instead. Maybe they can offset the price between the DP34 and DPP44. This would allow a single connection to the 942 (need a DP separator) and add that old receiver because the pro plus switch also allows connection to legacy receivers.

If you approach 200 feet you might run into problems. You may want to replace RG6 coax with RG11. It's expensive but has half the resistance.
Update: The dishpro and dishpro plus can go up to 200 feet. Reserve some money in your budget for RG11 but don't buy it unless it's needed.

 

[mdonnelly]

Actually, I think the default configuration of the Dish 1000 is a DPP Twin, connected to a DP Dual. The switch is internal to the DPP Twin. No way to feed four receivers with that configuration alone.

 

[RandallA]

Correct. To feed more than 2 receivers you will need a DPP44 switch with a Dish1000.

You could also get at DP Twin and a DP34 but you will need to run two cables for dual tuners.

 

[webbydude]

Randall is the most correct out of all of these suggestions by suggesting the D1000/DPP44 combo. The DP Twin and DP Dual configuration that MDonnelly will work with the DPP44 switch. Furthermore, the DPP44 switch won't require DP adaptors like the DP34 switch. That alone should justify the purchse of said switch

 

[rdinkel]

The only downside is that the DPP44 costs between $159 and $200, depending on where you buy it.

 

[StevenD]

DPP44s can be found on eBay for less than $100.

 

[JPointerWI]

The only downside is that the DPP44 costs between $159 and $200, depending on where you buy it.

Try eBay, I have seen them for as low as $49. As long as you dont care/ask too many questions where they are coming from.

 

[jergenf]

Actually, I think the default configuration of the Dish 1000 is a DPP Twin, connected to a DP Dual. The switch is internal to the DPP Twin. No way to feed four receivers with that configuration alone.

So the dish1000 doesn't have a DP34 or any external switch for that matter?

 

[RandallA]

A Dish1000 comes with a DPP Twin and a DP Dual LNB. The DPP Twin does the switching internally but I don't know what will be the equivalent in terms of switches.

 

[chaddux]

I am not about to abuse the ceo@dish.com method.

Sending an email to that address wouldn't get you any help anyway, unless you have a complaint about your soap.

 

[SimpleSimon]

A Dish1000 comes with a DPP Twin and a DP Dual LNB. The DPP Twin does the switching internally but I don't know what will be the equivalent in terms of switches.

The equivalent would be DPP32.

Just as a DP Twin is equivalent to a DP22, and a Legacy Twin is a SW42.

Above designations are for conceptual use only - the software does NOT use them.

 

[wobbie]

You did say TOTAL system revamp????
Just a thought.... maybe a D1000 along with a DPQuad, DP single and a 34switch. Two lines to the 942, one to the 510 and one to the 301 off of the 34switch. One line straight from the DP quad into the DP adaptor for the model number unknown reciever. And one extra cable from the Dish. Stacey....If interested send me a PM I have afew adaptors, DPQuads and 34 switches. Heck I beleive Dish would provide the LNB"s and 34 switch if you asked.

 

[Stargazer]

You wouldn't get any special deal on the 942. With MPEG-4 HD coming out I would not invest in it but wait instead.

 

[Van]

Okay, I need some serious advice on what to do here. I am not one of these guys that believes that Dish should subsidize my every upgrade, but I want to be sure I get the best possible deal for the money that I can get, so here goes...

I I am not about to abuse the ceo@dish.com method. I do not insist on getting everything free or heavily discounted, but I guess I'm looking for a way to get some sort of deal for being a long time and high dollar customer. .

Now this is a customer that I have great respect for I just wish that more people shared his view point.

 

[Stargazer]

This is what most people should expect, to not be subsidized constantly and to know that the satellite company is in business to make money. If the company sees that they cannot make any money off of you and you have had to be given a "deal" with the retention department too much they will not offer you anything anymore and just shut you off without even trying to save you as a customer. If they view you as a valuable customer and they see that you have not tried to get deals all of the time and you talk to the right person then maybe you can get a deal every so often. They do offer existing subscribers promotions to upgrade their hardware in which they used to never offer any such thing. I thought it was better when they let you own the hardware instead of having to pay an upfront fee just to lease it though to do an upgrade. That is still cheaper than having to pay full price for it and they have to replace it if something goes wrong with it in that case.

 

[Stacy A]

Thanks guys for all the advice. For what it's worth, I got a quote yesterday from a reputable installer in Tyler, Texas for $1300+. That includes a Dish 1000, DPP44, a 942 receiver, and labor. I'm still checking on options. Wobbie, I may PM you. Thanks.

 

[sA :: Shaggy]

$1300. Just a few questions about that with the 942 is that a own or a lease. break down of cost...
942.....$640
D100...$90
DPP44..$180
Total...$910 so the installer wants about 300-400 for labor? is that right.

 

[Stargazer]

For the kind of money you own it all. I seriously would wait on buying the 942 in particular.

 

[SimpleSimon]

For $1300, I'd come down there from Colorado.

That's WAY too high a price.