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HUNTINGTON, Utah -- Seismic activity has "totally shut down" efforts to reach six miners trapped below ground and has wiped out all the work done in the past day, a mine executive said Tuesday.
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"We are back to square one underground," said Robert E. Murray, chairman of Murray Energy Corp., owner of the Crandall Canyon mine.
Still, "we should know within 48 to 72 hours the status of those trapped miners," Murray said. Crews are drilling two holes into the mountain in an effort to communicate with the miners -- provided they are still alive.
Unstable conditions below ground have thwarted rescuers' efforts to break through to the miners, who have been trapped 1,500 feet down for nearly two days, Murray said.
Rescuers were able to get within 1,700 feet Monday but had advanced only 310 feet more since, Murray said earlier Tuesday. The seismic shocks caused cave-ins that blocked even that progress, he said.
Rescue teams will be ready to start over again this afternoon at the earliest, Murray said.
"There is absolutely no way that through our underground rescue effort we can reach the vicinity of the trapped miners for at least one week," he said.
The National Earthquake Information Center in Colorado said 10 seismic shocks have been recorded since the collapse, but only one since 3 a.m. Tuesday. That one struck at 3:42 p.m. with a magnitude of 1.7.
Murray has insisted the cave-in was caused by an earthquake. But government seismologists have said the pattern of ground-shaking picked up by their instruments around the time of the accident Monday appeared to have been caused not by an earthquake, but by the cave-in itself.
Murray lashed out at the news media for suggesting his men were conducting "retreat mining," a method in which miners pull down the last standing pillars of coal and let the roof fall in.
Amy Louviere, a spokeswoman for the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration in Washington, said the men at the mine were, in fact, conducting retreat mining.
However, Louviere said that exactly what the miners were doing, and whether that led to the collapse, can be answered only after a full investigation.
More than a day and a half after the cave-in, rescuers were unable to say whether the men were alive and had not even heard any pounding from their hammers, as miners are trained to do when they get trapped.
The trapped miners were believed to be about 31/2 miles inside the mine, 140 miles south of Salt Lake City.
Two holes were being drilled vertically in an attempt to get air and food to the miners and communicate with them, Richard Stickler, head of the MSHA, said at a news conference.
If the men were not killed by the cave-in itself, Murray said, he believed there was enough air and water for them to survive for days or "for perhaps weeks." But the government's chief mine inspector in the West was not as confident.
"We're hoping there's air down there. We have no way of knowing that," said MSHA's Al Davis.
Before the work was stopped Tuesday, mine shafts were being reinforced with timber and steel beams, and ventilation systems were being repaired, Stickler said.
 
I heard about this on NPR. Tragic stuff, hope they are ok and they can get them out or at least get them food.
 
Murray lashed out at the news media for suggesting his men were conducting "retreat mining," a method in which miners pull down the last standing pillars of coal and let the roof fall in.
Not sure how they do it, but we leave plenty of support, but we have a more stable type of roof (more rock like than coal) I hope they are O.K. also..by now their lights are getting low on charge and the only lights available would be if equipment is around that still has power...
 
Saw it the day it happened while I was at work, later I saw a clip of the mine owner vigorously blaming the collapse on an earthquake in a way that reminded me of a child pouting over not being able to do something. What makes him look foolish is that he says it was an earthquake while scientists have stated that the signature that showed up on the equipment did not fit that of a quake. It doesnt help his case either that the mine has been cited for 360 safety violations with 150+ being serious, that and he looks like a bad version of a used car salesman.
 
HUNTINGTON, Utah (AP) - If the six trapped miners are alive, they may be sitting in inky darkness, their headlamps having burned out. Wearing thin work clothes in the 58-degree cold, they could be chilled to the bone if water is seeping into their chamber 150 stories below ground.

How much air they might have is anyone's guess.

On Thursday, more than three days after the thunderous cave-in, a drilling rig on the mountain above the Crandall Canyon mine closed in on the men, trying to bore a hole a mere 2 1/2 inches wide to bring them air and lower a two-way communications device and a tiny camera to check for signs of life.

"We may get no noise," cautioned Bob Murray, part owner of the mine. "They may be dead."

The drilling rig was erected on a mountain 1,869 feet above the presumed location of the men and had drilled to about 70 feet away by late Thursday. A bigger drill boring a nearly 9-inch-wide hole had reached 860 feet, slowed by a motor that broke and had to be replaced. The bigger hole could be used to lower more sophisticated cameras and provisions into the ground.

Rescue leaders, including Richard Stickler, head of the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration, did not offer a timeline for the drills to reach their target depths, but a mining company news release predicted the smaller drill would reach its target early Friday morning.

When the small drill reaches the miners' depth, it is expected to take two hours to withdraw it and lower a two-way communication device, said Rob Moore, vice president of mine co-owner Murray Energy Corp. A simple downward-pointing camera with limited visual range will also be lowered.

"I don't want to estimate when we make break through on the cavity. We're hopeful it will be very soon," Moore said.

Murray warned earlier that things could go wrong, including equipment breakdowns and the possibility the drilled holes could be off target.

Simultaneously, rescuers struggled to clear rubble from a horizontal tunnel in an attempt to actually reach the miners and bring them out. But progress was slow at about 300 feet a day, and officials said it could take a week or more to break through to the miners.

"It's incredibly labor-intensive," Moore said.

The miners were working in an area with an 8-foot ceiling, and the corridors in the mine are typically about 14 feet wide, officials said.

"I'm sure their lights have died by now. I'm sure it's pitch black," said miner Robby Robertson, 27, of Orangeville, Utah, who worked in the mine several years ago. "Imagine the darkest place you've ever been."

Murray, however, said that if the miners survived the cave-in itself, they would probably be spending most of the time in the dark to conserve their headlamp batteries, which are generally good for about 12 hours each.

"As soon as they realized they were trapped, it is very likely they went down to one light and very likely they went into total darkness a lot of the time and only used that light for the purpose of getting to the materials they need to ensure their survival," Murray said. "It wouldn't be bright. It would be like a very, very, large flashlight."

Their other materials typically include a half-gallon of water each in cooler, he said.

Whether air is flowing into the chamber where they were working or is running out is not known. But officials had some reason for optimism, because there was no fire or explosion to consume oxygen or poison the air.

The federal Mine Safety and Health Administration said each miner also should have had at least two emergency air packs, each of which supplies about an hour's worth of oxygen. But whether the air packs were within reach is not known.

Mine operators are also required to keep enough rations for 96 hours, so the Utah miners might have tried to retrieve those, if they were present.

Miners usually wear jeans, sometimes with coveralls on top, and often carry a light denim jacket, Murray said. The steady 58-degree temperature - which can be comfortable when you're working, less so when you're not - would not be a problem as long as the men were not wet, the mining veteran said.

He said the area where the miners are believed to be is thought to be "reasonably dry" with possibly some water seepage that they could drink.

Another threat is naturally occurring methane, which is highly explosive. When rocks and coal shift, methane seeps out even faster.

Robertson, the former Crandall miner, said he usually wears thermal underwear, a long-sleeve shirt and overalls, with rubber boots that come up to the knees. "It's kind of chilly" deep in the mines, he said.

Robertson said the men would be helping one another, the older ones being strong for the younger ones.

"If these people are still alive, I'm sure they're all sitting together. I'm sure they're all just trying to comfort each other. I'm sure they know people are trying to get to them," he said. "You're closer to the crew you're on than your own family."

"You try to stick together with one another, which is what we did," said Dennis Hall, one of nine men who survived 77 hours trapped in Pennsylvania's flooded Quecreek Mine in 2002. "We talked to one another and prayed to God a lot."

Trapped miners also typically write letters to their loved ones and put the notes in their lunch pails.

"You feel helpless because you're depending on someone else to get you out of the situation," Hall, 53, of Johnstown, Pa., said Thursday. "When your back's up against the wall and you've used all your efforts to get out, it's a hell of a feeling. And the waiting and wondering is really bad."

Judging by his own experience of once being trapped in a mine, Murray said the trapped miners would be confident.

"It's not bad, because they know people are coming after them. If they had enough air they're not worried. We'll get to them before they die. But you've got to understand they may be dead already," he said.

When he was trapped, he said, time went by fast. But, he added, "I could hear them coming after me."

The mining company has withheld the names of the six miners, but The Associated Press has confirmed five: Carlos Payan, Don Erickson, Kerry Allred, Manuel Sanchez and Brandon Phillips.

The families of the six miners were praying for their survival, one relative said.

"There are all types of conditions that could be in there for these folks ... some little cavity, some little corner," said Arch Allred, cousin of miner Kerry Allred.

Murray said that keeping the rescuers safe as they tried to work their way toward the trapped miners was paramount.

"Some of these men are willing to take chances to get their brothers out," Murray said. "We can't allow that."

Meanwhile, scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, analyzing Monday's seismic event determined the seismic waves came from an underground collapse. Murray contends that a natural earthquake caused the collapse.

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As soon as they realized they were trapped, it is very likely they went down to one light and very likely they went into total darkness a lot of the time and only used that light for the purpose of gppetting to the materials they need to ensure their survival," Murray said. "It wouldn't be bright. It would be like a very, very, large flashlight."
Bullsh!t... I work in a mine and have used a caplamp for over 32 year's... most are like a good smaller flashlight depending on the make and model... wheat lamps have a big spot with less light, MSA's depending on model have a tighter spot (more focused)none will last over 14-16 hours continuoiuslly...of course experienced miners would use light management to save what they have, and would make use of equipment available like battery powered Ramcars ( haulage equipment) or Scoops for alternative lightsouces...
 
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