I don't really want to shell out $100 dollars for a DVB receiver to receive only certain channels I want to get like the music channels off of Echostar satellites and the NASA channel. It had been mentioned on the forum somewhere that a deactivated Dish receiver would be able to pick up those channels that are in the clear. Looking over at Ebay, I see that some older receivers made by Echostar run cheaper than DVB receivers. My question is, how new of a receiver does it have to be to pick up those channels on Echostar satellites without being activated. Is there a year where they started with the current technology and any year prior to that would be a dead box? Also, is there certain updates that the earliest receivers have to have to be able to pick up those channels in the "clear." Notice: I do not want to illegal receive channels. I only want to be able to get those broadcasting on the Echostar satellites that are in the "clear" only and not "scrambled" or "encrypted."