My 99 cent PowerVu showed up today, after lots of reading here and elsewhere, it's up & running on G18! ...And Iceberg, your thread on these was very informative, and like you said, it's not too hard to program after you get a little used to it. TP 11720 took 45 minutes, and 11800 took about 45 seconds LOL! :up For an SD only box it's got a nice sharp picture.