Now Jack Ryan suffers from HD-DVD's small size...

[vurbano]

Yeah. When HD-DVD (or should I play your game and start calling it HD-DUD?) makes a major release without HD audio, suddenly HD audio doesn't matter. Good ole DD 5.1 is good enough. What's next, HD video doesn't matter, either?

Are Dolby and DTS fools for introducing higher definition audio formats when nobody cares or can tell the difference? I don't think so. I suspect they have invested their millions based on good business plans.

HD-DVD has always been about "good enough" and it's limitations are beginning to show. Early adopters care about quality, not cheap. And maybe that's why Blu-ray outsells HD DVD around 2 to 1. And does HD DVD have even that much market share anywhere else in the world?

I have read posts by several experts at AVS in the industry that say they simply could not detect any no audible difference between the master and the DD+ 5.1 track. Apparently the professional reviewers must feel the same. Or are you saying that all of the reviewers are HD DVD shills?

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[navychop]

So Dolby and DTS wasted their money? I doubt it.

 

[ONUOsFan]

Give it up. The professional reviews are 5/5 for AQ on transformers.

Which is completely beside the point. The point is why they even had to make the choice not to include the lossless track - because they don't have enough space - and what that means for future HD-DVD releases.

 

[diogen]

Which is completely beside the point.

I think that is the only point that matters.

The point is why they even had to make the choice not to include the lossless track - because they don't have enough space

Bandwidth, not space.

...and what that means for future HD-DVD releases.

Hope that one day talking points and bragging rights will be replaced by actual listening and comparison?
Wouldn't that be something...

Diogen.

 

[teamerickson]

I guess this will answer the OP's misleading title. It was a packaging error.

Paramount Recalls 'Jack Ryan' HD DVD | High-Def Digest

 

[diogen]

I guess this will answer the OP's misleading title. It was a packaging error.

Just imagine what a field day JoeSp will have with this...
Might last well into next week...

Diogen.

 

[CochiseGuy]

Just imagine what a field day JoeSp will have with this...
Might last well into next week...

Diogen.

Let me head that one off at the pass -

It was obviously a Sony plant in Paramount's Marketing Department.

 

[navychop]

"Typographical error" seems to be a bit of an understatement.

 

[VinceT3]

lol.. when I read that title I thought it said Jack Ryan suffers from small size.. I missed the hd-dvd part..

 

[ONUOsFan]

I think that is the only point that matters.

Only if you're just talking about Transformers, which I'm not. I couldn't care less about Transformers. I'm just wondering what effect the lack of space (sorry, Bandwidth, whatever...) will have on future releases that will most certainly have even more new features, etc that will want to eat up that bandwidth.

Diogen.

You do realize that your user name is already at the top of your post, right?

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

 

[meStevo]

I couldn't care less about Transformers.

Just wanted to thank you for the proper usage of this phrase, all format wars aside, 'I could care less' bugs me.

 

[mike123abc]

I can see the conversation now:

Studio Exec: How come all the extras are missing from the Jack Ryan Collection?!?
Techie Answer: Well you forced us to HD-DVD and did not give us time to master an extras disc... Did you not get the memo?
Studio Exec: What does HD-DVD have to do with anything?
Techie Answer: Well it was either the movie or the extras...

 

[berck]

lol.. when I read that title I thought it said Jack Ryan suffers from small size.. I missed the hd-dvd part..

 

[BobMurdoch]

Hey Joe, I understand.... BluRay never screws up a disc release.

How's that Fifth Element disc look?

Oh, unless you count the dozens of BluRay releases that they push back indefinitely.

BluRay had EVERYONE predicting a quick victory due to supposed overwhelming brute force.....

Then again, things don't always work that way against a little guy with a few competitive advantages.... Kind of like the Yankees...... bigger doesn't always mean better....

Meanwhile let's count how many Transformers discs sell on HD DVD.... I got mine from DeepDiscount DVD and am just waiting for it to get here..... (got it for $27 plus free shipping)

 

[ONUOsFan]

I may have already mentioned this... but what does it say about our culture that we're counting on movies like Spider-Man 3 and Transformers to swing this thing one way or the other?

Hmmm....

 

[chicagofilms]

I may have already mentioned this... but what does it say about our culture that we're counting on movies like Spider-Man 3 and Transformers to swing this thing one way or the other?

Hmmm....

I see where your coming from, but don't think it applies here.

People have these shiny new HD sets and big booming surround setups and they want something that will show off their systems.

Great movies like The Godfather, Goodfellas, Citizen Kane (always considered great, didn't do much for me) are just as enjoyable & IMO often more so with the original 1.0 or 2.0 track as they are with a modern-day remastered 5.1 track. There's no crash, bang, boom to give the audio a workout. Likewise on the video end there is no big explosions or really fast paced action to put the video through the paces.

Titles like Spidey & Transformers are more popular because they are like a demo disc showing the system's capabilities.

 

[ONUOsFan]

I see where your coming from, but don't think it applies here.

People have these shiny new HD sets and big booming surround setups and they want something that will show off their systems.

Great movies like The Godfather, Goodfellas, Citizen Kane (always considered great, didn't do much for me) are just as enjoyable & IMO often more so with the original 1.0 or 2.0 track as they are with a modern-day remastered 5.1 track. There's no crash, bang, boom to give the audio a workout. Likewise on the video end there is no big explosions or really fast paced action to put the video through the paces.

Titles like Spidey & Transformers are more popular because they are like a demo disc showing the system's capabilities.

It's a good point... surely there are other recent movies that will also have the modern features but with better content, though.

But I can't say that I've never bought a movie because I thought it would look or sound good (regardless of quality), because I'm sure I have...

 

[roachxp]

Titles like Spidey & Transformers are more popular because they are like a demo disc showing the system's capabilities.

Oh Spidey3 the one that doesn't play even on almost any Blu player even the Sony ones except the PS3

 

[John Kotches]

Besides, I thought extras didn't matter to BD fans? Fox seems perfectly happy churning out films like Robocop at only 102 Minutes long without a single extra, nada, zip - and asking $39.95 a pop for it! With only 3 star PQ, and that highly touted lossless PCM audio getting only 3 1/2 stars - compared to 5 star audio for that "crappy" DD+ audio on Transformers.

Let's be fair.

Robocop was released in 1987 with sound work probably being done in late 1986 / early 1987. Given it's era it is at best a 16-bit master to work with -- and the recording and processing sides have made dramatic improvements in the ~20 years between the two sound track creations.

A more fair comparison might be another (more current) big budget effects film like say Day After Tomorrow which only has about 3 years difference in the soundtracks. Like the movie or not; the audio side of this film was outstanding.

There are far too many differences in audio capture and processing between then and now to make this a valid comparison.

Best,