Not Looking Good for Bluray
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A discussion of a rumor that has a posting admitting the numbers were "made up?"
Oh yeah, Sony is quaking in their boots.
The story is believed by every single person that pre-ordered an SED.
Oh yeah, Sony is quaking in their boots.
The story is believed by every single person that pre-ordered an SED.
The rumor spreading gives every impression of a desperate act by Toshiba to slow Blu-ray sales advances.
None of these players are likely to be "defunct" by the end of the year, or even later. They may or may not be able to comply fully with the October standards (BD-java, including PIP/POP), but they will continue to be able to play the actual movies. Just a feature, or maybe even a few features, will not be available.
None of these players are likely to be "defunct" by the end of the year, or even later. They may or may not be able to comply fully with the October standards (BD-java, including PIP/POP), but they will continue to be able to play the actual movies. Just a feature, or maybe even a few features, will not be available.
I listened to the podcast, almost an hour's worth. The first 15 minutes contain the information discussed in the link in post 1, above.
What the 'cast actually said was a new HD-DVD player, the EP-10, was coming out in May for 499 pounds, per some Toshiba guy. And per Jim Bottoms, from some "research" organization, he expected HD-DVD players to drop to $400 by the end of this year, and to $100 by 2010. Just to establish his (lack of) credibility, he stated that HD-DVD and Blu-ray would never replace the DVD, and only increase the market by 15 to 20 percent. Then some "broadcast team" speculated that the Shinco drive was rumored to come out at $150 late this year. No basis to that, mind you, just part of the diatribe.
And then they came out with the utterly false report that current Blu-ray players would be "defunct" by year's end. They discussed the BD-java standard and PIP, but by using the word "defunct" they were clearly trying scare tactics. Fake news (speculation) to try to reverse the HD-DVD sales trend. It really was just marketing lies disguised as "news." AVForums should be ashamed of themselves. I suspect such tactics border on the illegal.
The rest of the 'cast was an interminable discussion on scaling. Maybe it would have been of interest to someone who knew nothing about scaling.
What the 'cast actually said was a new HD-DVD player, the EP-10, was coming out in May for 499 pounds, per some Toshiba guy. And per Jim Bottoms, from some "research" organization, he expected HD-DVD players to drop to $400 by the end of this year, and to $100 by 2010. Just to establish his (lack of) credibility, he stated that HD-DVD and Blu-ray would never replace the DVD, and only increase the market by 15 to 20 percent. Then some "broadcast team" speculated that the Shinco drive was rumored to come out at $150 late this year. No basis to that, mind you, just part of the diatribe.
And then they came out with the utterly false report that current Blu-ray players would be "defunct" by year's end. They discussed the BD-java standard and PIP, but by using the word "defunct" they were clearly trying scare tactics. Fake news (speculation) to try to reverse the HD-DVD sales trend. It really was just marketing lies disguised as "news." AVForums should be ashamed of themselves. I suspect such tactics border on the illegal.
The rest of the 'cast was an interminable discussion on scaling. Maybe it would have been of interest to someone who knew nothing about scaling.
i don't know which format will prevail but thread titles here are getting as bad as those in the Pit.
Likely because they (the titles) are very misleading and not based on any real sustainable facts. Simply wishful thinking or rumor postings copied from other websites that also provide no real facts. I have neither, nor support either at this point, or have any vested interests, so my comments are not defending either format, just stating the obvious.
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Especially with reports of Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by around 3 to 1, the title is "wishful thinking."
Only time will tell but with Sony's past history with proprietary formats and the fact that the porn industry is backing HDDVD (a billion dollar industry), I wouldn't bet on Blurray.
There wouldn't be a 3 to 1 lead if the porn discs were counted.
Blu-ray is not being released as a proprietary (Sony only) format.
Adult does not back HD-DVD only, they are only stressing in the press at Sony's initial unwillingness to produce adult titles at their Sony owned pressing facilities.
This topic was already discussed and debunked months ago. There is and will be Blu-ray adult titles whether they are actual pressed by Sony or not. Sony is NOT the only company that presses Blu-ray discs.
Adult does not back HD-DVD only, they are only stressing in the press at Sony's initial unwillingness to produce adult titles at their Sony owned pressing facilities.
This topic was already discussed and debunked months ago. There is and will be Blu-ray adult titles whether they are actual pressed by Sony or not. Sony is NOT the only company that presses Blu-ray discs.
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What makes you think they aren't counting porn in the HD-DVD sales? Anyway, only a tiny handful of porn discs are out on HD-DVD. And the first Blu-ray porn comes out next month, IIRC.
This is one of the rare items I am not being an early adopter. The only early item I really got burned on was Beta, and it WAS the better product, but marketed totally incorrectly.
I read somewhere that in the Beta vs VHS wars, Beta really did not die. Beta ended up being used a lot for industrial videotape projects and high-end non-consumer uses.
Perhaps that bodes for the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD wars? The losing format could end up in a specialized niche -- not really dying, but dying as far as the end-user consumer can see.
Personally, I think Blu-Ray is gonna win it. I didn't think so at first.
On the other hand, HD-DVD seems a more robust medium for video store rentals. From what I read Blu-Ray is burned closer to the surface of the DVD, and HD-DVD is burned "deeper" in the DVD. That might make Blu-Ray more susceptible to scratches ruining the DVD and would not be suitable as a video store rental or shipped all over with Netflix. But what do I know?
What in the world are you talking about? I was very clear that I do not have an opinion on this one. The problem with the title is not hat it does not agree with an opinion I don't have. The problem is that it was selected because it reinforces the OP's opinions and is not really supported by the facts.
I was appealing to reason and rejecting the hyperbole.
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I read somewhere that in the Beta vs VHS wars, Beta really did not die. Beta ended up being used a lot for industrial videotape projects and high-end non-consumer uses.
Perhaps that bodes for the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD wars? The losing format could end up in a specialized niche -- not really dying, but dying as far as the end-user consumer can see.
Personally, I think Blu-Ray is gonna win it. I didn't think so at first.
On the other hand, HD-DVD seems a more robust medium for video store rentals. From what I read Blu-Ray is burned closer to the surface of the DVD, and HD-DVD is burned "deeper" in the DVD. That might make Blu-Ray more susceptible to scratches ruining the DVD and would not be suitable as a video store rental or shipped all over with Netflix. But what do I know?
You are correct, as a consumer product it died, but its technical superiority led it into many commercial applications like news. Many have gone with Digital Hi8 and likely will be going to HD cams soon.
