News from Apple this week

[frank c.]

Really like that feature also. Another that I wanted for along time is now available in iOS 14.5, the ability to have 5G active on both lines while in duel sim mode on my iPhone 12 Pro, really like that one.


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[TheForce]

Shares of Globalstar soar 64% on report iPhone 13 will use satellites directly

Shares of Globalstar, a satellite services provider, surged following a report that the newest iPhone will have the ability to utilize satellite communications.

www.cnbc.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[harshness]

With only 24 satellites, it would need to be an emergency indeed.

 

[TheForce]

With only 24 satellites, it would need to be an emergency indeed.

Yes, I posted more details. I wonder if other companies will get into the act, such as SpaceX to expand bandwidth if the antenna can be worked out.

The key excitement is that this could be the first all in one sat phone and terrestrial in one package. The beginning of a new capability.

Disclosure- Apple is my second largest stock holding and I also own Qualcomm but no interest in Globalstar

 

[harshness]

Yes, I posted more details.

The Bloomberg story probably gets it right that only texting will be available. I think CNBC may have also misreported the satellite count as Globalstar has 24 ground stations. They would need considerably more satellites to cover 80% of the planet to be effective in an "emergency".

I wonder if other companies will get into the act, such as SpaceX to expand bandwidth if the antenna can be worked out.

Given how large Dishy McFlatface, that seems exceedingly unlikely. Having the kind of transmit power and beam directivity required probably isn't going to be very easy in a bar phone form factor.

The key excitement is that this could be the first all in one sat phone and terrestrial in one package. The beginning of a new capability.

Apparently there has been 4G satellite telephony in the works for a while now. Wired magazine ran a story last year about such a system.

 

[Juan]

Yes, I posted more details. I wonder if other companies will get into the act, such as SpaceX to expand bandwidth if the antenna can be worked out.

The key excitement is that this could be the first all in one sat phone and terrestrial in one package. The beginning of a new capability.

Disclosure- Apple is my second largest stock holding and I also own Qualcomm but no interest in Globalstar

Military and verizon corporate have had it for years just not available to customers

 

[rad]

And maybe it’s not for satellite usage,iPhone 13 Satellite Support Rumor Disputed, Likely for Additional 5G Spectrum

 

[TheForce]

And maybe it’s not for satellite usage,iPhone 13 Satellite Support Rumor Disputed, Likely for Additional 5G Spectrum

Thanks.
Glad I mentioned it as you guys are quick to find more debate on this. As usual, we wait to see what Apple actually is going to have in the future. Personally, I don't need it and doing just fine with my 4G iphone. I have no plans to upgrade from my iphone 11. But I look forward to seeing what's new.

 

[Juan]

Unless apple plans to bring back walkie talkies..satellite phone communication wont work..too much lag time for 2 way communication

 

[harshness]

Unless apple plans to bring back walkie talkies..satellite phone communication wont work..too much lag time for 2 way communication

That is an utterly ridiculous assertion. By your argument, terrestrial phone conversations involving distances over 700 miles won't work.

 

[Juan]

That is an utterly ridiculous assertion. By your argument, terrestrial phone conversations involving distances over 700 miles won't work.

You dont understand berween hitting a co vs hitting a satellite

Leo satellite 1000 miles up...1000 miles down...hit landline network..person resoonds..1000 miles up..1000 miles down...its atleast 4 thousand miles...a co runs fiber with maybe 7nsec delay...satellite has a much longer processing delay..enough that echoing makes 2 way communication unusable

Much like the old radio long distance communication calls in the 30s ,40s and even 50s

 

[harshness]

You dont understand berween hitting a co vs hitting a satellite

You have carefully chosen to ignore Physics along with some readily available specifications about the Globalstar constellation.

Leo satellite 1000 miles up...1000 miles down...hit landline network..person resoonds..1000 miles up..1000 miles down...its atleast 4 thousand miles...a co runs fiber with maybe 7nsec delay...satellite has a much longer processing delay..enough that echoing makes 2 way communication unusable.

The Globalstar birds are at 300 miles above the Earth's surface which is less than 1,000km round trip; a far cry from 2,000 miles (3219km). Remember also that we're talking TCP/IP that can be packeted and full duplex (due to different uplink and downlink frequencies).

Much like the old radio long distance communication calls in the 30s ,40s and even 50s

Do you really believe that the speed of light in copper or fiber is that much faster than in air?

Speed in air = 300 Million m/s
Speed in copper = 230 Million m/s
Speed in fiber = 200 Million m/s

Your claim that these delays are certain to make such a system unworkable is silly for the above reasons backed up by the fact that satellite phones work just fine today with satellites much more distant. No, your dialup modem or fax machine isn't going to work but that's not important anymore.

 

[Juan]

You have carefully chosen to ignore Physics along with some readily available specifications about the Globalstar constellation.

The Globalstar birds are at 300 miles above the Earth's surface which is less than 1,000km round trip; a far cry from 2,000 miles (3219km). Remember also that we're talking TCP/IP that can be packeted and full duplex (due to different uplink and downlink frequencies).

Do you really believe that the speed of light in copper or fiber is that much faster than in air?

Speed in air = 300 Million m/s
Speed in copper = 230 Million m/s
Speed in fiber = 200 Million m/s

Your claim that these delays are certain to make such a system unworkable is silly for the above reasons backed up by the fact that satellite phones work just fine today with satellites much more distant. No, your dialup modem or fax machine isn't going to work but that's not important anymore.

If you wanna pay
$15 a minute + another $1 a minute landline fee..but can you name 1 satellite phone ststem provider in business with more than 10k customers?

Lets make it easy
Find one with 1k customers

 

[harshness]

If you wanna pay
$15 a minute + another $1 a minute landline fee..but can you name 1 satellite phone ststem provider in business with more than 10k customers?

Lets make it easy
Find one with 1k customers

I'm not accepting your attempt at redirecting the argument but I'll address your fictitious argument.

Because we have the networks, the US isn't a hotbed of satellite phone activity so your argument isn't all that impactful. The point of using satellite is for emergency use in those instances where terrestrial service isn't available. I think if you look at the number of people using SPOT, you'll be shocked. In the fourth quarter of 2020, 8,500 SPOT units shipped.

 

[Juan]

I'm not accepting your attempt at redirecting the argument but I'll address your fictitious argument.

Because we have the networks, the US isn't a hotbed of satellite phone activity so your argument isn't all that impactful. The point of using satellite is for emergency use in those instances where terrestrial service isn't available. I think if you look at the number of people using SPOT, you'll be shocked. In the fourth quarter of 2020, 8,500 SPOT units shipped.

Exactly
Used for 911 calls only

 

[Foxbat]

...a co runs fiber with maybe 7nsec delay...

Adm. Grace Hopper used to carry a one foot length of wire with her to demonstrate to people one nanosecond of propagation delay. So if the Home Office for your TelCo was located on the other side of your home’s wall, you might have 7 ns delay. It’s more likely to be 7 μs for a local call or 7 ms for a call out of state.

I will agree with lag complicating human conversations; one doesn’t need to look much further than a Skype/Zoom/Teams call to experience people stepping on each other’s words.

 

[harshness]

I will agree with lag complicating human conversations; one doesn’t need to look much further than a Skype/Zoom/Teams call to experience people stepping on each other’s words.

I would argue that the problem with Zoom and Teams is more a matter of multiple parties seeing a possible opening rather than lag.

 

[TheForce]

Speculations Ahead Of Apple Event: Apple Inc.’s first hardware unveiling event of this year, “California Streaming” will be held on Sept. 14. At the event, Apple is expected to launch iPhone 13 models that will have high refresh rate screens, smaller display notches and improved cameras, compared to the iPhone 12 models.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Smallest iPhone size will be 128 GB instead of 64 GB.

Looking forward to the new Apple Watch. Will be upgrading from a series 4.

 

[TheForce]

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