Ok, I started with Dish last September coming from Time Warner. At that time I paid the $250 lease for the 942 receiver. After watching the Charlie Chat last night I see that I can upgrade to the VIP622 for $99 after of course the $200 rebate. Now I got the HD Pak free for 6 months and after that it will cost $10/month to have. I currently have the Top180. So if I were to upgrade to a new plan do I still need to pay the $10 per month for the HD Pak on top of the new rates for DishHD or is this included in the new DishHD plans? I am so confused at this point in time as I keep reading posts and the more I read the worse it gets. If it is included I can't see why I wouldn't upgrade as the difference in price is almost as much as just the HD Pak that I will be paying for anyways but now I will get all the new HD channels and a new dish. Thanks guys.