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I received the same email today except I never requested any info about their IPTV service. They are apparently spamming existing customers.
The VOD library has some very good programming in it, I'm sure I'll use it often. In fact, I've used it several times already.
If you don't like the (few) emails Sky Angel sends you, just click delete, enter them in your spam list, then go ahead and buy a Glorystar FTA system, it's that easy!
Jeff
If you don't like the (few) emails Sky Angel sends you, just click delete, enter them in your spam list, then go ahead and buy a Glorystar FTA system, it's that easy!
Jeff
I was posting it for info, not because I'm upset with them still emailing me. I read the emails and these boards because I'm interested in the company.
Me too. What got my goat was on page 3 it said in conclusion "Your support will help keep the flame - Sky Angel's mission to spread the life-changing message of Jesus Christ - burning."
Well unless non-Christians decide to pony up $15 a month to receive that message I find this a less than likely achievement.
This has been one of my complaints about the service since we got the details. It really isn't a mission to the lost, despite company claims. It's a ministry to the already converted being marketed as an evangelistic outreach.
Well unless non-Christians decide to pony up $15 a month to receive that message I find this a less than likely achievement.
This has been one of my complaints about the service since we got the details. It really isn't a mission to the lost, despite company claims. It's a ministry to the already converted being marketed as an evangelistic outreach.
That's a tough one. I would argue that even those who are "converted" are converted to different degrees. For many, the degree of conversion varies depending on many factors in their lives. (now one might also argue that this may not be a true conversion if this is the case, but that's an argument for another day).
By supplying uplifting programming to those who have been converted, we are able to help them feel more depth in their conversion and retain that spirit within that keeps them close to Christ. This, in turn solidifies their conversion, and builds the armies of converted Christians that in turn support other converted Christians while also helping those who are not converted to find Christ in their lives.
To argue that preaching to those who are already converted is not helping to spread the gospel is like saying that the simple act of feeding hungry soldiers does nothing for the cause of winning a war. If the hungry soldiers falter and fall to their graves from lack of nutrition, who fights to the end?
I agree with that. And I also believe that if we as believers pursue growth and maturity in our own walk with the Lord, we will be much more likely to attract others to Him and to have a passion to minister to the unconverted in our particular universe. When I studied Purpose-Driven Life, that was an insight for me. I realized that even my own growth in love, joy, peace, etc. is not really just about me and my desire to have a "better" life. It ultimately impacts others. Even helped me realize that it can be selfish for a believer to choose not to grow in Christ-likeness.
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Originally Posted by Scroll
I think I'm gonna need chapter & verse on that one.
Ditto.
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Here's some that may apply -
Hebrews 5:12-14. "For when for the time you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
Originally Posted by Scroll
I think I'm gonna need chapter & verse on that one.
Ditto.
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Here's some that may apply -
Hebrews 5:12-14. "For when for the time you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
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Originally Posted by Scroll
I think I'm gonna need chapter & verse on that one.
Ditto.
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Here's some that may apply -
Hebrews 5:12-14. "For when for the time you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
That quote is clearly talking about baby Christians verses mature Christians. Either will go to Heaven if they die, and both are saved to the fullest, sealed by the Holy Spirit to eternal life. Baby Christians are ones who have not matured in the Faith. They need teaching, so they can discern good from evil. They need discipling so they know how to live a righteous life.
Here are Saved or Unsaved verses that shows it is very much either you are, or you are not converted/saved/born again/sealed:
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
John 6:40a
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life,
John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
That quote is clearly talking about baby Christians verses mature Christians.
Exactly!
There is but one Salvation. There may be various degrees of light or revelation but one is either a Christian or not.
I started to go a step farther and instead say "There may be various degrees of light or revelation but one is either a Christian or they were never really one of us." but that gets into a murky doctrinal issue of eternal security. However just to address that point whether you believe once saved, always saved no matter what or if you believe you can willingly choose to forfit salvation after conversion the actual point remains that salvation is salvation. No degrees of salvation exist in the Protestant Christian faith. Of course it now dawns on me that the Catholic brethren may argue Purgatory here but I think that doctrine is even losing favor with most of them.
Exactly!
There is but one Salvation. There may be various degrees of light or revelation but one is either a Christian or not.
I started to go a step farther and instead say "There may be various degrees of light or revelation but one is either a Christian or they were never really one of us." but that gets into a murky doctrinal issue of eternal security. However just to address that point whether you believe once saved, always saved no matter what or if you believe you can willingly choose to forfit salvation after conversion the actual point remains that salvation is salvation. No degrees of salvation exist in the Protestant Christian faith. Of course it now dawns on me that the Catholic brethren may argue Purgatory here but I think that doctrine is even losing favor with most of them.
Wow, you guys are nuts! (I mean that in a good way!)
Maybe my phraseology was a bit flawed, but I was talking more about the conversion within yourself. If you don't get what I mean, then maybe your congregations are different than any I've ever seen. However, I see people at all different points in their "conversion" - some are Sunday Christians, some are holiday Christians, some are actively involved in their church, some sit and listen but barely get it, some talk and preach the gospel with every chance, etc...
(I mean that in a good way!)Maybe my phraseology was a bit flawed, but I was talking more about the conversion within yourself. If you don't get what I mean, then maybe your congregations are different than any I've ever seen. However, I see people at all different points in their "conversion" - some are Sunday Christians, some are holiday Christians, some are actively involved in their church, some sit and listen but barely get it, some talk and preach the gospel with every chance, etc...
The bottom line here is when you die will you be welcomed into those pearly gates by angel escort or will you be eternally located "elsewhere."
That is the simplistic example of what conversion means.
Oh I have little doubt that there will be some occasional church attenders in heaven and some who are at the church every time the door is open at "the other place." No doubt in my mind, actually. Because we all know church attendance does not mean conversion in and of itself, again with the possible exception of some of our Catholic friends. No insult intended.
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That is the simplistic example of what conversion means.
Oh I have little doubt that there will be some occasional church attenders in heaven and some who are at the church every time the door is open at "the other place." No doubt in my mind, actually. Because we all know church attendance does not mean conversion in and of itself, again with the possible exception of some of our Catholic friends. No insult intended.
:Lumpkin- Maybe the way you are using "conversion" is how we would use dedication or maturity. When I think Conversion, I think of the Salvation experience, turning from Satan and sin, to Christ's forgiveness and an adoption into the family of God.
Since getting saved, I've had different levels of participation in church, but I was no less converted.
I also agree with the previous poster that some who almost never go to church are going to be in Heaven, and some who are there every service won't be. There was a study done a long time ago that estimated less than 70% of people in church are actually Christians.
Since getting saved, I've had different levels of participation in church, but I was no less converted.
I also agree with the previous poster that some who almost never go to church are going to be in Heaven, and some who are there every service won't be. There was a study done a long time ago that estimated less than 70% of people in church are actually Christians.
