New Install - 6 tuners - Questions

[MrDRC]

Im getting a complete overhaul on my 6 year old 500/300 setup and legacy Dish 6000 and two 2800 receivers.

Dish gave me a great upgrade deal on two 622's and one 612 plus they are bringing a new dish, 1000.2, to eliminate my two dish setup.

I'm having them install the new dish in a different location where I previously ran underground conduit. I am going to pull some runs of RG6 through the conduit prior to the installers arrival monday.

Im not up to snuff on the separator/diplexor issues and wondered how many runs of RG6 to pull through the conduit? I know each receiver needs two feeds but I am thinking a seperator will take one RG6 cable and split it at each receiver location to feed both tuners?

I can easily pull 6 runs of RG6 through the conduit which would eliminate the need for separators but I am thinking that is a waste, is it?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[topcat0399]

Im getting a complete overhaul on my 6 year old 500/300 setup and legacy Dish 6000 and two 2800 receivers.

Dish gave me a great upgrade deal on two 622's and one 612 plus they are bringing a new dish, 1000.2, to eliminate my two dish setup.

I'm having them install the new dish in a different location where I previously ran underground conduit. I am going to pull some runs of RG6 through the conduit prior to the installers arrival monday.

Im not up to snuff on the separator/diplexor issues and wondered how many runs of RG6 to pull through the conduit? I know each receiver needs two feeds but I am thinking a seperator will take one RG6 cable and split it at each receiver location to feed both tuners?

I can easily pull 6 runs of RG6 through the conduit which would eliminate the need for searators but I am thinking that is a waste, is it?

Any help would be appreciated.

A Dish 1000.2 will run all of your tuners with only 3 lines from the dish to your Demarc (ground block). Consider how difficult it would be to pull new cable thru that conduit if something goes bad to decide how many extras you want in there. Run at least 1 spare. Make damn sure that cable is rated to 2150 Mhz.

I hope your new location for the dish actually has good line of sight to all sats before you do all this.

Diplexing arrangement will depend on the wiriing inside your house. Its best to have at least 1 RG6 2150 Mhz cable from each Room to the demarc. That way changes in the setup are easily accomadated and diplexing is simple.


good luck


BTW: at least one of the cables from the Dish to the demarc should include the 17 Gage messenger wire for proper dish grounding.

 

[MrDRC]

Thats what I needed to know. Thanks much!

Im using Canare L-5CFB with the matching Canare F connectors. Im pretty sure its sweep tested to 2250Mhz. Its really great stuff and I have used a lot of it throughout my Home Theater and at my lake house. I will strip and terminate all the connections myself.

One other question regarding the ground block. Can the ground block be placed at the dish location? That would save me from running a ground wire through the conduit but I would obviously need a ground rod installed there. Or, can you ground to a neutral bar in a sub panel? I am having the new dish installed on my workshop which has its own 50 amp sub panel. The neutral/ground bar goes directly back to my main panel which is tied to my ground rod.

 

[topcat0399]

Thats what I needed to know. Thanks much!

Im using Canare L-5CFB with the matching Canare F connectors. Im pretty sure its sweep tested to 2250Mhz. Its really great stuff and I have used a lot of it throughout my Home Theater and at my lake house. I will strip and terminate all the connections myself.

One other question regarding the ground block. Can the ground block be placed at the dish location? That would save me from running a ground wire through the conduit but I would obviously need a ground rod installed there. Or, can you ground to a neutral bar in a sub panel? I am having the new dish installed on my workshop which has its own 50 amp sub panel. The neutral/ground bar goes directly back to my main panel which is tied to my ground rod.

Well, a dish guy cant open a panel and ground in there. thats outside his lane.

there are special rules in the NEC concerning "ground rods" and how they are connected to the electrical system to be valid. most are not.

a ground block can be grounded to a piece of conduit coming off an electriacal panel by an installer - that is commonly done. the conduit and panel are connected to ground in most cases.

so what im thinking you can do it:

put your dish on your workshop, put ground blocks NEAR your electrical panel in the workshop - run the cables from the dish to there (must be include the grounding messenger wire). connect the #10 green ground wire from those ground blocks to the electrical panel conduit. then run all the cables from those ground blocks thru your underground conduit to your receivers in the house.

all cables coming FROM the dish MUST go to the ground block BEFORE going to a receiver.

this would make a code install.

get it?

 

[Jerryinvirginia]

IF grounding is to satisfy most areas local codes, it must be in common with the electrical circuit used to operate your receiver.

 

[topcat0399]

IF grounding is to satisfy most areas local codes, it must be in common with the electrical circuit used to operate your receiver.

that also is outside of a "dish guys" lane. there is no requirement for an installer to ensure that your electrical system meets those requirements. he is merely required to ground the system to an approved source.

as a former electrician; all grounds and netruals in the system are tied together at the service entrance anyway. thats why a "ground rod" system is supposed to be "properly" installed to accomplish this (they often are not).

grounding to the sub-panel in this case is more than adequate. anything more is splitting hairs.

 

[MrDRC]

get it?

Yup...I got it.

Im familiar with NEC. I had to pass a test to wire my own home. There is a local code here that lets homeowners qualify as a quasi-electrician. If you can pass the test at the building inspectors office you can permit the job and wire your own home.

My ground rod is 8' long by 3/4". I sledge hammered that monster in by myself so I know its right. My meter box, main panel and sub panel all tie back to it. I know the Dish installer wont mess with my panel but I have no problems doing it myself since I originally permitted it.

Thanks for the really great info. Much appreciated.