As mentioned already...Please make this a sticky! I think this will help many out!!!
New Equipment Fees & Lease Fees
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As mentioned already...Please make this a sticky! I think this will help many out!!!
so do you think the price increase will stick as is? or sometime soon they will rescind the change because of churn and a sales drop
Personally I hope for enough churn they drop under 13 million, so we can watch them celebrate it again.
ME today IO go look at FIOS tv. provided my sore knee lets me tripped and fell last night........
will also go check out direct tv, and probably run into some E salesmen, I can have fun with them and demoralize them all at the same time.
Bob why don't you just change your equipment so You don't need the extra dvrs? IF you keep just one 722k and sell the rest on E-bay , you would not see an increase other than 2 cents on the dvr fee or 1.00 if you had the with Dvr pack , since it is going away. It would be easier than holding a hate on for DISH. Isn't it just you now in the house? Do you need to have more than one duo tuner dvr? When do you find time to watch it all?
I don't agree with the equipment changes either ,but I think it is better to be flexible than to cancel. I had already made the change LAST year and got rid of my 2 other duo dvrs and switched to a 722k and one 211k (with dvr software) so I wouldn't get hit to hard by the 2009 - $8.00 increase. That was what they went up on dvr advantage last year. I got a $3.00 credit to offset it for the whole last year , so it was only $5.00 , but it made me get off my butt and make some changes to keep my bill lower.
Me, my roomate who records constantly, and some now and then family who float in and out.
I AM A CUSTOMER. that gives me clout
Today if my very sore knee permits, fell in my shop last nite
I am going shopping to look at D, TIVO, comcast and FIOS.
I havent shopped for 13 years.....
and my bill rolls over feb 13th. so I have some time.
for a wide variety of reason I dont want a contract on whatever I buy.
one of my concerns are all the people I sold and some I installed let alone sold calling ME, because of the price increase
many have mutiple DVRs
Look right before the price leak, I was in the middle of a upgrade as part of dropping phone lines.
I figured 722Ks would be better and call in on ethernet. dont need home phone anyway, planned on going all cell. like so many others have.I purchase all my boxes
Had AEP plus 2 extra boxes. We AEP subs got hid hard.
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So it looks like you are splitting your bill with your roommate, so I guess your actual price increase will be cut in half -- that should make it easier to swallow. Also, why keep an extra box around just for now-and-then use? I would think in those situations, you can put your 722k in Dual mode and let them watch the TV2 tuner -- after all you don't have any HDTVs anyhow.
My roomate is currently between jobs, so its me that paying the bill and being unemployeed they record and watch constantly
Remember my extra receiver costs were 5 bucks EACH, so I didnt care about them. at one time 4 boxes 15 bucks who cares.
at 17 bucks each I am #@!$$ off
and being unemployeed they record and watch constantlyRemember my extra receiver costs were 5 bucks EACH, so I didnt care about them. at one time 4 boxes 15 bucks who cares.
at 17 bucks each I am #@!$$ off
Well they way I would have seen it is that "I" had two extra boxes that weren't really getting really getting used, so that WAS $10/month -- or $120 year. To me throwing away $120 is noteworthy enough.
That said, I totally agree that it is BS that DISH is charging the same price for lease hardware versus owned hardware.
That said, I totally agree that it is BS that DISH is charging the same price for lease hardware versus owned hardware.
where does that occur? oned hardware requires paying for repair / replacement just like leased.
I havent sent back a box since the service was 2 bucks a month per account. when they upped the price I canceled the service plan. My 522 / 625 were very good. Just replaced some hard drives in that time, got more space
Are you talking outside the warranty period of the device? If so, don't you have to agree contract (or an extension if you are already under a contract) to get that benefit? If so, that pretty much debunks that argument.
one box my roomates getting lots of use, mine a good bit too. my roomate is a tv fiend
To each his own I think spending a grand for a high def tv isnt worth it. I have better ways to spend my money.
one of my plans was putting my currently unused slingbox on a E box, so realitves and friends who lost jobs could have some tv. my family has been decimated by job losses in phoenix. nearly all dropped cable / sat but so far have managed to keep internet.
my brother is into race cars he actually appeared on fast pass or whatever that show is,. he lost that race.
That's why I only used $10/mo. instead of $15/mo. in my example - because I conceded that two boxes are getting used enough to warrant having them.
I can agree to disagree here, but I must point out that with a little shopping around you should be able to get a 42" HDTV for $500ish -- so your example of a grand is a bit of a stretch these days.To each his own I think spending a grand for a high def tv isnt worth it. I have better ways to spend my money.
Well I want a LED tv, believe the picture looks better to me thats where the grand comes in......... might as well go 50 inch too
thats where the grand comes in......... might as well go 50 inch too
I think Dish Network is more likely to give those that are current customers that contact them to complain some sort of discount long-term or the life of their account than to cut the fees down if they see negative results. What this does is it gives those that had the service more incentive to stay and it also allows them to charge the new customers the higher fees. Churn is so high that they probably have mostly a completely different customer base every 5 or 6 years.
I also think they raised fees to make up for all these credits that they have been and will give customers to stay on the service.
I also think they raised fees to make up for all these credits that they have been and will give customers to stay on the service.
Dish's churn rate was just 1.57 percent in the third quarter, again lower than Wall Street estimates.
Better than DTV's, per the article. Hardly enough to roll the customer base every 5 or 6 years. Churn rate simply isn't that high.
Better than DTV's, per the article. Hardly enough to roll the customer base every 5 or 6 years. Churn rate simply isn't that high.
I don't know about churn. Last year I received $10.00 off for 12 months on my account and my second account for my parents. I also received 1 cent Cinemax for me and my parents and my aunt on my third account. I also received Free Hbo/Starz for both mine and my parents accounts for 3 months. Also got major credits on both accounts due to the screwed up way they did the hbo/Starz promotion. I also get the $3.00 dvr advantage credit for the whole last year, on both mine and my parents accounts. They were trying anyway they could to keep subs last year due to the major losses they suffered for three quarters in a row. The last quarter they really turned it around and recovered in major ways . Now who knows how it will look this year after the new equipment fees kick in. I have a feeling that they will return to churn or even not add many new subs due to the high equipment fees. They simply look to high to most people who see them , at least for duo tuner dvrs at $17.00 EACH.
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Since everyone one of the providers is raising rates in some form why will there be more churn on E* than D* or Fios, or even cable. I just don't see that it is going to hit Charlie that hard. What percent of his customers have more than 2 DVR's I would like to see something on that here. This is just a guess but I have a feeling that less than 10% have more than 2 or 3 systems in their house. so if 26% of those 10% decide to go else where that would be at the most 49k. And when he gets more HD he may pick up that many. Sorry but I just don't see it causing as big of a problem as there is being stated here. I could be wrong but I just don't think so.
Since everyone one of the providers is raising rates in some form why will there be more churn on E* than D* or Fios, or even cable. I just don't see that it is going to hit Charlie that hard. What percent of his customers have more than 2 DVR's I would like to see something on that here. This is just a guess but I have a feeling that less than 10% have more than 2 or 3 systems in their house. so if 26% of those 10% decide to go else where that would be at the most 49k. And when he gets more HD he may pick up that many. Sorry but I just don't see it causing as big of a problem as there is being stated here. I could be wrong but I just don't think so.
I don't think you're wrong.
We have a tendency as people to think that what annoys us annoys the majority. The fact is, whether we agree or not, this will not be any sort of disaster for Dish. They no doubt did some study before initiating this change. Every year, some folks rotate their provider. But most don't. Most don't want the hassle of different dish installs, new equipment to learn, etc. Prices will remain competitive. If any company had a significant price advantage, and customers moved to them, prices would equalize (one way or another).
No one wants to pay more. I'm sure Dish doesn't want to pay more to the programming providers. Certainly, they are under a lot of pressure from OTA sources. I suspect we'll see even larger increases next year, for both satcos, as the money they pay out increases faster than in the past.
We have a tendency as people to think that what annoys us annoys the majority. The fact is, whether we agree or not, this will not be any sort of disaster for Dish. They no doubt did some study before initiating this change. Every year, some folks rotate their provider. But most don't. Most don't want the hassle of different dish installs, new equipment to learn, etc. Prices will remain competitive. If any company had a significant price advantage, and customers moved to them, prices would equalize (one way or another).
No one wants to pay more. I'm sure Dish doesn't want to pay more to the programming providers. Certainly, they are under a lot of pressure from OTA sources. I suspect we'll see even larger increases next year, for both satcos, as the money they pay out increases faster than in the past.
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