NAB Blasts Dish on HD Local filings

Barry Erick

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Dish has a proposal at the FCC for its coverage of HD Local In Local service and it is vastly different than the nice DirecTV plan. See it at NAB Comments

A few quotes from that page:
In its reply comments, the NAB noted that while DirecTV plans to deliver as many as 1,500 local digital signals by satellite, "EchoStar, by contrast, has to date announced few plans for offering digital local-to-local service." NAB continues, "Rather, EchoStar appears to be intent on, wherever possible, using national digital feeds (from New York and Los Angeles) as a low-cost substitute for local-to-local service." NAB argued, "EchoStar's technical arguments are self-serving--and wrong."
 
I am not a big fan of D* providing HD LIL (OTA antennas work fine for 80% or more of the population), however I must admit that D* will have a huge competitive advantage - most people have forgotten about or don't remember free OTA.
 
They have a point here:
"EchoStar proposes to treat households as 'unserved' over the air unless they can receive local TV stations with an indoor antenna--even though DBS would be doomed if it were forced to rely on indoor antennas;


"EchoStar insists that if outdoor antennas are used to test over-the-air signals, they will be pointed in the wrong direction--even though mispointing would likewise be fatal for DBS;

That said, I guess I wouldn't fault E* for looking for ways around local market protection. I'd much rather see this rule go away (I'd love to be able to get a feed from each time zone).

Maybe once 80% of the viewing audience has a PVR the entire free broadcast structure will have to change.

Now, if E* chooses not to upgrade for Hi-Def LIL that's thier business. Not replacing all thier birds with Phase-Array satellites may help them to become the price leader. I doubt there are that many people who can't get approved for out of market locals AND can't receive OTA.

DirectTV acquired the new Spaceway birds based on it's association with Hughes (who realized there isn't enough money in Satellite based internet). It could be awhile before E* gets access to this technology (assuming they work).
 
Quote:
In its reply comments, the NAB noted that while DirecTV plans to deliver as many as 1,500 local digital signals by satellite, "EchoStar, by contrast, has to date announced few plans for offering digital local-to-local service." NAB continues, "Rather, EchoStar appears to be intent on, wherever possible, using national digital feeds (from New York and Los Angeles) as a low-cost substitute for local-to-local service." NAB argued, "EchoStar's technical arguments are self-serving--and wrong."

Personally (and I'm not a Dish apologist) I think Dish's position (although self serving) does make more sense.

Bandwidth will always be at a premium. It makes no sense for satellite to waste it providing local digital channels that SHOULD already be available to customers OTA.

Both satellite and cable have to COMPETE for you're business - why don't affiliates?Because via the NAB, they've bribed government to enact laws that protect them against competetion. The NAB knows that without affiliates there IS NO NAB (the major networks could care less if the NAB ceased to exist tommorrow) and they are desperatly trying to keep the status quo.

If the affiliate can provide you with the product (a good quality digital network signal), fine, grant them the local franchise but if they can't or won't, don't prevent DBS from being allowed to give you the distant digital.

If the corruption was eliminated, this wouldn't be so hard to understand.
 
waltinvt\ said:
Quote:
In its reply comments, the NAB noted that while DirecTV plans to deliver as many as 1,500 local digital signals by satellite, "EchoStar, by contrast, has to date announced few plans for offering digital local-to-local service." NAB continues, "Rather, EchoStar appears to be intent on, wherever possible, using national digital feeds (from New York and Los Angeles) as a low-cost substitute for local-to-local service." NAB argued, "EchoStar's technical arguments are self-serving--and wrong."

Personally (and I'm not a Dish apologist) I think Dish's position (although self serving) does make more sense.

Bandwidth will always be at a premium. It makes no sense for satellite to waste it providing local digital channels that SHOULD already be available to customers OTA.

Both satellite and cable have to COMPETE for you're business - why don't affiliates?Because via the NAB, they've bribed government to enact laws that protect them against competetion. The NAB knows that without affiliates there IS NO NAB (the major networks could care less if the NAB ceased to exist tommorrow) and they are desperatly trying to keep the status quo.

If the affiliate can provide you with the product (a good quality digital network signal), fine, grant them the local franchise but if they can't or won't, don't prevent DBS from being allowed to give you the distant digital.

If the corruption was eliminated, this wouldn't be so hard to understand.

Fair and balanced! :)
 
waltinvt\ said:
Quote:
In its reply comments, the NAB noted that while DirecTV plans to deliver as many as 1,500 local digital signals by satellite, "EchoStar, by contrast, has to date announced few plans for offering digital local-to-local service." NAB continues, "Rather, EchoStar appears to be intent on, wherever possible, using national digital feeds (from New York and Los Angeles) as a low-cost substitute for local-to-local service." NAB argued, "EchoStar's technical arguments are self-serving--and wrong."

Personally (and I'm not a Dish apologist) I think Dish's position (although self serving) does make more sense.

Bandwidth will always be at a premium. It makes no sense for satellite to waste it providing local digital channels that SHOULD already be available to customers OTA.

Both satellite and cable have to COMPETE for you're business - why don't affiliates?Because via the NAB, they've bribed government to enact laws that protect them against competetion. The NAB knows that without affiliates there IS NO NAB (the major networks could care less if the NAB ceased to exist tommorrow) and they are desperatly trying to keep the status quo.

If the affiliate can provide you with the product (a good quality digital network signal), fine, grant them the local franchise but if they can't or won't, don't prevent DBS from being allowed to give you the distant digital.

If the corruption was eliminated, this wouldn't be so hard to understand.


Well said Walt! :clap

The NAB has corrupted the process and set their members up as protected monopolies. This may have made sense at some point in time but that time has long since passed.

NightRyder
 
I think most people would rather have feeds from other time zones as well. Even if you have a DVR its nice to see news out of LA or NY every now and them...And its great being able to DVR a show early so you can DVR another show later that you normaly wouldnt.
 
Originally posted by Paradox-SJ
I think most people would rather have feeds from other time zones as well. Even if you have a DVR its nice to see news out of LA or NY every now and them...

Why? With network news and cable news I think we get all the coastal BS we can stomach.

Network programming is time zone adjusted to match the most common viewing hours in the zone. Also, what happens to all the local businesses that advertise on your locals. Let them go belly up? ...along with a lot of jobs? Local news is constantly expanding in our market because it draws viewers. We've already had our first HD local news for over a year. If E* can't deliver local HDTV, maybe their business model is flawed and they will be absorbed by others.
 
If I choose to read the NY or LA Times instead of my local paper, I can, the network affiliates should be no different. If they can't compete in a free and open market (like E*)then "maybe their business model is flawed and they will/should be absorbed by others".


NightRyder
 
The NY and LA papers are not trying to put your local paper out of business; they are augmenting the local papers. HUGE difference.
 
Point 2: Any distant local networks wouldn't be trying to put your locals out of business anyway.
 
Local and national feeds

I have both my Chicago and NY and LA stations as well as superstaions on Dish, i think this is great, if I come home late from work as I often do, I can catch what I have missed on primetime etc and I still watch my local news then switch over to LA to catch Csi, or anything else I had missed,

Instead of wasting all the bandwidth of CBS for 200 plus dmas they should give 1 east and 1 west and black out commercials and make you switch to your local when commercial time comes around and then switch back to satellite hd when the show resumes!!
 
Carl B said:
Originally posted by Paradox-SJ

Network programming is time zone adjusted to match the most common viewing hours in the zone. Also, what happens to all the local businesses that advertise on your locals. Let them go belly up? ...along with a lot of jobs? Local news is constantly expanding in our market because it draws viewers. We've already had our first HD local news for over a year. If E* can't deliver local HDTV, maybe their business model is flawed and they will be absorbed by others.

Actually one of the major points of a DVR is to time shift a program to a convenient time for the indivdual viewer, rather than the 'most common' time.

I don't really think that television advertising is keeping local business running, there are so many other means of them getting directly in your face. An argument that uses advertising as a reason for requiring something is flawed, in my opinion.

The only value added thing that local affiliates provide is locally originated programming, which is becoming more rare by the year. If the local affiliate cannot compete because of weak or non-existent locally originated programming, there is no compelling legitimate reason for anyone to have to watch it (other than restrictive laws that prevent one from viewing network programming by other means).

On the other hand, if a local affiliate currently decides to pre-empt a network feed, it doesn't have to worry about its show competing with the network broadcast. If the network broadcast was still available to the viewer, the pre-empted show would have to compete with it. Perhaps this would improve the quality of locally produced programs.

Preventing feeds from outside of the local area is EXACTLY the same as making it illegal to receive newspapers from outside the area. National news is the same. Local information is different. Without a monopoly, the local station would need to compete, just like a newspaper does. Just like newspapers, the weak ones would fold and the strong ones would get better. This is what competition is all about.

As someone else already said, the only reason the NAB is fighting to prevent distant stations is to artificially maintain something that used to be a physical limitation which props up a business model that may no longer be viable.

Technology is always changing the landscape. Legislation which retards this only benefits the entrenched businesses for the time-being. It almost never benefits the businesses in the long-run and almost never benefits the consumer (look at VCRs and DVDs).

Once a business realizes the underlying assumptions that supported its business model have changed, it either adapts or perishes. Legislation forcing stagnation only staves off the inevitable in the short term.
 
mrschwarz said:
As someone else already said, the only reason the NAB is fighting to prevent distant stations is to artificially maintain something that used to be a physical limitation which props up a business model that may no longer be viable.

That would be me with the following comments back in 2004 before the last SHVERA vote/update and thank you for remembering!

Blame the NAB and your local affiliates that fight like rabid dogs to maintain their illegal monopolies they have in retransmitting network programs, which keeps us all in the current quagmire scenario of DMA thus forcing satellite to spend money to carry them all just to be "equally" competitive.

I too have said for years (many letters to the FCC and congress) that we should fight to end the current DMA scenario and allow the networks themselves to beam their own feeds for each time zone to cable and satellite providers and allow US the end consumer choose when and how we want to receive them.

Allow ALL of them, not just one specific time zone offering and force the local affiliates to stick to reporting local area news, weather and sports on their own private dime. Make them fight and compete like every other local business to stay alive and to gain their own advertisers based on their local content and stop clinging to the coat tails of the networks and screwing it up for the consumers and the providers. Allow PBS to become a viable network or die, but stop attaching it to government subsidies while constantly begging for donations.

With my scenario, assuming all networks stay alive, AT MOST you are talking about 8 networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, UPN, WB, PBS, PAX) with 5 time zones for a total of 40 feeds; max that to 56 feeds if your separate to 7 time zones
:
1. Atlantic/Eastern/Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands Combined
2. Central
3. Mountain
4. Pacific/Alaska Combined
5. Hawaii/American Samoa/Aleutians Combined

Now compare that with all the current DMAs and its BS baggage and you have a clear winning solution in my book. Heck I bet that the FCC would be a huge winner by getting back a lot of space that will then no longer be used.
 
Barry Erick said:
The NY and LA papers are not trying to put your local paper out of business; they are augmenting the local papers. HUGE difference.

I see absolutely no difference other than the I am free to read and subscribe to the NY or LA times and am not to the NY or LA network affiliates. Your statement assumes that a reader of a distant newspaper also reads his local newspaper or that the subscriber of a distant network affiliate will never watch his local affiliate. Personally I don't find either to be true, I read and watch a mixture of both.

Here's the best solution I've read. If the satellite provider offers the local networks in the subscribers area, and that subscriber wishes to have DNS, then the subscriber must sign-up for locals to receive DNS. That is a fair compromise, but the NAB will never allow it.


NightRyder
 
I think that's a great compromise. In order to receiver distant networks (hopefully in HD), you have to subscribe to your LIL. That way, the local networks all think they have more viewers and might get more ad revenue.
 
The only thing that keeps E* from not being able to provide all of us a network feeds through our local affiliates is their lack of bandwidth. That is a financing and capital investment problem for E*, not a legal/political problem for the country or some big conspircy by the NAB. D* and the cable providers are or have dealt with the capital investment and will continue to compete. E* likely needs to go back to the business plan drawing board as the FCC isn't likely to approve their shoestring budget approach to network HD. I see a merger in their future!
 
This whole countrywide HD-LIL thing is just an insane waste of bandwidth. There are several fair, common sense solutions just in this thread alone. The NAB is the problem, not E* and not the FCC. They insist on maintaining their 1960's era monopoly which technology made obsolete long ago. Cable doesn't even belong in this discussion, they have to carry one set of HD locals, their investment is trivial compared to satellite.


NightRyder
 
Carl B said:
Local news is constantly expanding in our market because it draws viewers. We've already had our first HD local news for over a year.
You only make the case here. I reside in Loveland and receive KUSA just FINE with an antenna. D*, E* & C* should not even be OFFERING local service ... that is what antennas are for. CATV was invented in the 60's for this and translators pop up all over the place for this reason.
 

Dishnetwork Service Outage???

Does DISH allow more than one 522 or 625?

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