ok iceburg i finealy went in did it talked my wife into letting me have a c band dish,found a guy that has a great working c/ku system 12 ft mesh with a 4dhdtv and gonna add some goodies with it,so your advice on what goodies to add on would be very helpful oh and yes he actually does install c bands for a liveing so he knows what he is doing ( I HOPE ) lol so come on everyone send me some good ideas what to get and make my system fun (not boreing )