Is C-BAND still Viable alternative

[leifkenn]

All,
I was just curious as to your thoughts about C-Band Viability.
I am thinking on dropping Directv all together as the price is just to high.
I currently have 2 Direcway Dishes and a Coolsat 5000 FTA receiver.
I will be getting a 10ft Mesh dish that I wanted to use to get C-Band but the more I look the amount of channels available are dwindling fast or are moving to DVB.
I have a toshiba trx-4400 Analog receiver but no remote and I have been unable to find another one as of yet.
I guess what I am asking is this.
1)Will C-Band be around in the foreseeable future or are the Little dish companies going to be the only game in town.
2)What Channels are available for both C-Band Analog and Digital.
Thanks

 

[Lak7]

With a 4DTV receiver for the BUD, go here to see what you can sub to....
SPS Satellite Programming Service Inc. - C Band Programming Provider in North America

For only FTA Channels, you just need to get an FTA receiver, an HD unit is better, and something like a VBox to move the BUD.
FTA can't replace a Sub Service, but for something to watch, and live sporting events, you made find it very addicting.

 

[Kb Cool]

It really depends on what you wanna watch. If your into premium movie channels then 4DTV is your best bet. As for other programming 4DTV is a poor choice. The only hope for cband to stay alive is for a new receiver to come along that will get the masterHD broadcast that are up there on cband but are in megapipe, S2 and Powervu.

 

[sergei]

First, if your after C-Band programming you'll need to get a used 4DTV receiver for digital programing as not much left in analog . You also need to check out the different web sites that show what they offer and the cost, very little is free unless you go with the FTA.
Just do a Google for C-Band programmers, Check out SkyVision Tech Support section for some good information on programming that's available.

http://skyvision.com/pages/information_center/4dtvguide.htm

In my case I dropped Directv 2years ago because of cost and started out with only one dish and now I have four and most likely number 5 next year just for FTA.
Dish 1 - movie channels
Dish 2 - 590 package from NPS
Dish 3 - Denver Stations
Dish 4 - Nebraska PBS and GB satellite and anything else.

The main thing about C-Band is just being able to pick and pay monthly for what I want and getting only the channels I want. It may not last and only time will tell how long, the biggest problem is lack of any new 4DTV receivers being build.

 

[Cadsulfide]

C Band has a lot of cool FTA stuff out there, if you have some handyman skills and a little time, and a tolerant spouse. I currently have 7 working fixed dishes out of sight of the house, and will be adding more as time and $$ allow. HD is the way to go if buying new, since a lot of c band stuff is mpeg4, a big plus of a FTA reciever is you can mix/match multiple c band and ku dishes/lnb's through disecq on one reviever.

 

[Anole]

C? si!

I currently have 2 Direcway Dishes and a Coolsat 5000 FTA receiver.

So, you have an idea of what's on Ku.
- what do you watch now?
- what sort of channels do you want to add for your viewing pleasure?
- are you looking for free TV on C-band?
- are you looking for pay TV ? (if so, I believe digital 4DTV is about it)
- between C- and Ku-, you can get all the US over-the-air networks
- analog is pretty much at the end of its rope

I am actively looking for a dish suitable for C-band.
Not analog. Not 4DTV. Just for DVB and DVB-S2.

 

[somery]

In my honest opinion, I think CBand, even 4dtv, will be around for the forseeable future. Its definately not too late to still be worth an install of the ten foot antenna, unless you are a High Definition seeking viewer or a sports nut. Sometimes, during hard times, I get by for three months for $38.00 for over 30 Starz and Encore movie channels. Movies of all varieties that I haven't seen in ages. They aren't bad about reshowing over and over, like all the other major channels with commercial interuptions.
I spent $500 on a big dish setup with 2 4dtvs and the 4dtv HiDef decoder a couple of years ago and was worried it wouldn't be worth it. Ha! I'm still happy But that is my opinion, everyone's different. I think I heard of 920's being cheaper so you should maybe try for that model, as I have seen one of each and I havne't notice the 920 lacking in too much, if anything, over the 922...

 

[Radioguy41]

If your into premium movie channels then 4DTV is your best bet. As for other programming 4DTV is a poor choice.

I'm not sure why you would say it's a poor choice. Here's the programming I get now with my 4DTV:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DIGITAL DISCOVERY CHANNELS[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,]Great American Country (GAC)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,]HGTV E[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]607[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Kids[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Military Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]611[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Science Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]612[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Health[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]613[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Investigation Discovery[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]614[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Home & Leisure[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]615[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery en Espanol[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]701[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV SUITE CHANNELS[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nick Toons[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Noggin[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]605[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GaS (Nick Games & Sports)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV2 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]801[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV Hits [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]802[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 Classic[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]804[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 PureCountry[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]805[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 Soul[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]806
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ADDITIONAL C-BAND CHANNELS[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]BBC America[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]700[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HGTV (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Food Channel (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]601[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Food Channel (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DIY (Do It Yourself)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]603[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fine Living[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Learning Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]605[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Home and Travel Esp [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]702[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Kids Esp [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]703[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery East [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Travel Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Animal Planet[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]603[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Blue Highways [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bravo (West) [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]710[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MAV TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]400[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NFL Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]410[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Oxygen Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ovation[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tru TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]580[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]USA Network [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]622[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]800[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cartoon Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CNBC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]500[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSNBC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]501[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WPIX[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]510[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fox News [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]581[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TV Land[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spike TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]620[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Comedy Central [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]624[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]802[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CMTV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]801[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A&E (Arts & Entertainment)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]700[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]AMC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]701[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hallmark Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]702[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lifetime Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]703[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IPG (Interactive Program Guide)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fox Movie Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]251[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IFC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]252[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lifetime Movie Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]253[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Turner Classic Movies[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]255[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WE[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]256[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Golf Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]410[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Outdoor Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]420[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Versus[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]421[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Versus Alt [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]422[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Speed Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]430[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Toon Disney[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A&E Biography[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel International[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]611[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]612[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]National Geographic[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]620[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HGTV (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]630[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sleuth[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]640[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chiller [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]641[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sci-Fi Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]642[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Game Show Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]643[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bravo (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]710[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]RFD-TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]730[/FONT]

for $399.99 a year from NPS. The only thing you can't get is ESPN but I really don't miss it.

 

[somery]

he may be referring to picture quality of G3 reuplinks, but again, on my 32 inch (analog flatscreen) the picture is definately watchable, as opposed to not having it at all. NPS's Absolute Digital is my favorite channel pack to get...40 bucks / month and gets the most stuff off of various satellites.

Edit to add: The entire Scripps/Discovery/FoodNet, ect suite located on C3 and C4 are so brilliant, they are near DVD quality and are good for the eyes, a must see

By the way, G1 may be important to you if you want to go with 4dtv, as this satellite is the one that gives you the nightly download of the guide and channel maps. Otherwise channel maps are good from G5 and C3 if you can live without the guide. That 4dtv Blackbox if you can go that route, I believe would connect a TIVO to your 4dtv and will give you a directtv program guide (or DISH program guide) that will show you program name and info without the G1 downloaded guide, and translate into 4dtv channel and sats for you. Thats if you are only comfortable with the directTV or dish layout. Correct me if im wrong, but if I'm right about this, this really is a NEAT thing to have when G1 is not an option.

 

[tdti1]

4dtv is still the best choice for my subs, I only sub to the movie channels, the rest of my viewing is dvb. No other provider comes close.

 

[Kb Cool]

I'm not sure why you would say it's a poor choice. Here's the programming I get now with my 4DTV:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DIGITAL DISCOVERY CHANNELS[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,]Great American Country (GAC)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,]HGTV E[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]607[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Kids[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Military Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]611[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Science Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]612[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Health[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]613[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Investigation Discovery[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]614[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Home & Leisure[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]615[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery en Espanol[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]701[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV SUITE CHANNELS[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nick Toons[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Noggin[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]605[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GaS (Nick Games & Sports)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV2 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]801[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV Hits [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]802[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 Classic[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]804[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 PureCountry[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]805[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1 Soul[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]806
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ADDITIONAL C-BAND CHANNELS[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]BBC America[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]700[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HGTV (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Food Channel (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]601[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Food Channel (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DIY (Do It Yourself)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]603[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fine Living[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Learning Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]605[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Home and Travel Esp [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]702[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery Kids Esp [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C3 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]703[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Discovery East [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Travel Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Animal Planet[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]603[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Blue Highways [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel (West)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bravo (West) [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C4[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]710[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MAV TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]400[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NFL Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]410[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Oxygen Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]604[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ovation[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GB[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]606[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tru TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]580[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]USA Network [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]622[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MTV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]800[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cartoon Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CNBC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]500[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MSNBC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]501[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WPIX[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]510[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fox News [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]581[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TV Land[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]602[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spike TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]620[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Comedy Central [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]624[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]VH1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]802[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CMTV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]801[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A&E (Arts & Entertainment)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]700[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]AMC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]701[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hallmark Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]702[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lifetime Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]703[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IPG (Interactive Program Guide)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]G1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fox Movie Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]251[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IFC[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]252[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lifetime Movie Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]253[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Turner Classic Movies[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]255[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WE[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]256[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Golf Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]410[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Outdoor Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]420[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Versus[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]421[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Versus Alt [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]422[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Speed Channel[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]430[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Toon Disney[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]600[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A&E Biography[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]610[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel International[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]611[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History Channel (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]612[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]National Geographic[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]620[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HGTV (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]630[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sleuth[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]640[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chiller [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]641[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sci-Fi Channel [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]642[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Game Show Network[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]643[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bravo (East)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]710[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]RFD-TV[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]W5[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]730[/FONT]

for $399.99 a year from NPS. The only thing you can't get is ESPN but I really don't miss it.

Sadly, I think this package from DISH beats it and the PQ is better too.

 

[Kb Cool]

he may be referring to picture quality of G3 reuplinks, but again, on my 32 inch (analog flatscreen) the picture is definately watchable, as opposed to not having it at all. NPS's Absolute Digital is my favorite channel pack to get...40 bucks / month and gets the most stuff off of various satellites.

Edit to add: The entire Scripps/Discovery/FoodNet, ect suite located on C3 and C4 are so brilliant, they are near DVD quality and are good for the eyes, a must see

By the way, G1 may be important to you if you want to go with 4dtv, as this satellite is the one that gives you the nightly download of the guide and channel maps. Otherwise channel maps are good from G5 and C3 if you can live without the guide. That 4dtv Blackbox if you can go that route, I believe would connect a TIVO to your 4dtv and will give you a directtv program guide (or DISH program guide) that will show you program name and info without the G1 downloaded guide, and translate into 4dtv channel and sats for you. Thats if you are only comfortable with the directTV or dish layout. Correct me if im wrong, but if I'm right about this, this really is a NEAT thing to have when G1 is not an option.

Yes the master feeds are decent. But as "lite" as it is. I still think DISHHD is better.
The $29.99 HD only pak from DISH and HBO, MAX and Starz on 4DTV is the way to go IMO.

 

[Anole]

is Dish HD-only an option?

kbghdg has an interesting idea - combining Dish HD-only with 4D...
What I wrote below was based on choosing on or the other, and before I fully appreciated his insight -
But, it still brings up shortcomings of each system.


We don't usually discuss Dish HD offerings here, but maybe it's time we did. -

Their $29.95/month HD-only package could appeal to some.
There is an up side and a down side, and there is no one right answer - it's a personal call:

up side for Dish HD only:
- can add more TV sets and receivers for very low monthly price, compared to 4DTV
- may be operating with more modern equipment, more reliable, simple, family-friiendly, etc.
- may have channels not available on 4D (if they matter to you or your family)
- install is easy, just order it and it gets done for you
- small dish, may be useful if you are in apartment
- can get PVR with big hard drive, to record and play back your choice of shows
- no BUD to deal with, which is handy as we get older...

down side for Dish HD only:
- The $29.95 per month is never the true price; there's monthly lease, PVR, insurance, and other fees!
- Dish HD is not full resolution nor quality, but how it compares to 4D I can't say
- generally stuck for a 1-year or 2-year commitment
- local stations have an additional fee (but are available)

I'm not really trying to start an argument here.
And there are probably other points in favor of one system or another.
In many cases, the "fun" or utility of a BUD outweighs its size, age, maintenance, and other potential disadvantages

Also, a users location, access to local programming, and desires for specialty programming, bear on any decision.

 

[truckracer]

Sadly it is just getting to the point where 4DTV does not offer enough HD content to keep everyone's new big screen tv's happy. Prices are increasing for c-band programming taking away from it's appeal even more. There is more and more HD fta content up there. FTA is not a replacement for subscription tv but a vialble alternative if you just don't/ or can's spend any money on subs.

Motorola has all but abandoned 4DTV and more and more signals are switching to dvb powervu or dc2 megapipe. They are not offering us the consumer level equipment to keep up with technological changes.

 

[tvropro]

I hate Dish network and Direct Tv. They are the ones that started the demise of subscription c band. When no more subscription tv is offered on c band to us, the programmers or there poor excuse for delivery systems won't get any of my money. It will be FTA all the way with whatever equipment is needed to watch the original subscription masters when there in the clear.

Every c band dollar that is invested in the LSD systems gives them more power to do exactly what there dirty ultimate goal is. To control all the programming. Every dollar invested with c band keeps us alive and takes away from the LSD monopoly.

I applaud those dedicated to c band and don't waver to the LSD side.:clap

 

[leifkenn]

Thanks for all your insights.
As far as Dish HD that is not an option as I used to be a customer 4 years ago and they will not give me any incentive to come back and the cost of equipment is outlandish at this point in time.
I am kind of in the same Boat with DTV .
What HD channels are available FTA and would theses be accessible VIA KU or C-band digital.
Thanks again

 

[Kb Cool]

- The $29.95 per month is never the true price; there's monthly lease, PVR, insurance, and other fees!

Are you sure about that?

My
BILLING SUMMARY as of 11/24/2008
Amount Due: $29.99


Past Due Amount: $0.00
Current Charges: $29.99
Pending Payment: $0.00
Activity Since Last Statement


Statement Balance: $29.99
Payment Due Date: AUTO PAY
Last Payment Made: $29.99
Last Payment Date: 11/10/08
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I'm not advocating DishNEt but i'm rather pointing out the shortcomings of 4DTV compared to others "now available". If owner MikeM of NPS actually owned a BUD things might be different and Cband would be the leader again?

 

[Kb Cool]

I hate Dish network and Direct Tv. They are the ones that started the demise of subscription c band.

And at the same time the owners of Cband companys sat back and let it happen. Who's fault is it really? Some even jumped ship and sold out.
Are you also blaming Japan for the big 3 auto companys troubles?

 

[Radioguy41]

Sadly, I think this package from DISH beats it and the PQ is better too.

I'm not sure how it beats it, there are less than half as many channels in that package (37 vs 75), unless you're basing your opinion strictly on HD. The fact that TCM and AMC aren't there would be a deal breaker for me. Add to that the Military Channel, BBC America, FOX News, FOX Movie Channel and a large host of others. That package pales in comparison.

 

[Kb Cool]

I'm not sure how it beats it, there are less than half as many channels in that package (37 vs 75), unless you're basing your opinion strictly on HD. The fact that TCM and AMC aren't there would be a deal breaker for me. Add to that the Military Channel, BBC America, FOX News, FOX Movie Channel and a large host of others. That package pales in comparison.

Yes, i'm basing it strictly on HD and also considering NPS's price of HDTheater. What do they charge for that one channel? 5 or 6 dollars a month?