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havenx · Sep 1, 2005

Okay here is what I got on ebay. It looked like a pretty good deal, however I am reading and figuring out that an 18 inch dish really sucks. Opps.

Pansat 2700A 2700

4 way tokyosat switch.

18" dish with dual output lnb.

Okay just some basic questions...

Okay so the dual output on the LMB simply means that I can hook up two receivers I think, is this right?

I saw some listings for both LMB’s and LMBF's; what does the "F" mean?

I don't have a motor yet. I am guessing that this means I can only talk to one bird at a time. In relation, I see a lot of dishes with dual LMB's, for eample 110 119 and stuff like this. Does this mean that I can talk to two birds at once while the dish is pointing in the same direction? I don't fully understand the concept so if someone could explain it I would be thrilled.

The motors that I am seeing on ebay rotate the dish in a half circle as it appears. How does this effect (not sure if I have the terminology correct) the skew or elevation? I mean the up and down angel of the dish itself..... So if someone could explain that concept too, I would be vastly thrilled.

I was playing with some satellites from dish network that my friend had (not hacking btw) and I figured out how to locate one dish with it, and that was the disk network satellite obviously. The satellite that I was using had two LMBs. The bird was kind of in the S. S E sky, however I discovered something W. S W in the sky that the system talked to, but the signal went away after the receiver showed a clear picture on the screen for about two seconds. Does anyone have any ideas what that was?

It should be a week or so before my setup comes in, and in the meantime I am going to be looking for a larger dish; however, I just wanted to get some more general ideas.

Lastly, where would I find the locations of the birds, angel settings if you will, for where I live? Quincy IL, 62301

Oh yea, another lastly, since I do not have a motor yet, what bird would it be best for me to point at where I would get the most channels. (I may not have asked that correctly). From what I was reading on lyngsat it looked like some birds have the same channels, some more than others, and some had just one or two large network channels.

I do understand how a forum works and I am sure these questions have been asked a billion times, but I'm not finding them well, and my eyes hurt.

Thanks,
Dan

PSB · Sep 1, 2005

HELLO, Welcome to the SateliteGuys.US FTA forum!

Here are all the angles to the satellites from your location........

Code:

                        Quincy, IL 62301
          Latitude 39° 55.842'N Longitude 91° 22.578'W


                         Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)   El  Skew
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                     Intelsat 901   18.0W 100.8 100.4  4.0 -48.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 603   20.0W 102.2 101.8  5.5 -48.5
                                 
                            NSS 7   22.0W 103.6 103.1  7.0 -48.2
                                 
                     Intelsat 905   24.5W 105.3 104.9  8.9 -47.7
                                 
                     Intelsat 907   27.5W 107.5 107.0 11.2 -47.0
                                 
                   Hispasat 1C/1D   30.0W 109.3 108.9 13.1 -46.4
                                 
                     Intelsat 801   31.5W 110.4 110.0 14.2 -45.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 903   34.5W 112.7 112.3 16.4 -45.0
                                 
              AMC 12 & Telstar 11   37.5W 115.1 114.6 18.6 -44.0
                                 
                          NSS 806   40.5W 117.6 117.1 20.8 -42.8
                                 
                        PAS 6B/3R   43.0W 119.7 119.2 22.6 -41.8
                                 
                           PAS 1R   45.0W 121.5 121.0 24.0 -40.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 705   50.0W 126.1 125.6 27.4 -38.3
                                 
                     Intelsat 707   53.0W 129.0 128.6 29.4 -36.6
                                 
                     Intelsat 805   55.5W 131.6 131.1 31.0 -35.0
                                 
                            PAS 9   58.0W 134.3 133.8 32.5 -33.3
                                 
                         Amazonas   61.0W 137.6 137.1 34.2 -31.1
                                 
           EchoStar 3 & Rainbow 1   61.5W 138.2 137.7 34.5 -30.8
                                 
                 Estrela do Sul 1   63.0W 139.9 139.5 35.3 -29.6
                                 
                     Brasilsat B2   65.0W 142.3 141.9 36.4 -28.0
                                 
                     Brasilsat B1   70.0W 148.6 148.2 38.8 -23.5
                                 
                 Nahuel 1 & AMC 6   72.0W 151.3 150.8 39.6 -21.6
                                 
                            AMC 6   72.0W 151.3 150.8 39.6 -21.6
                                 
                        DirecTV 5   72.5W 152.0 151.5 39.8 -21.1
                                 
                            SBS 6   74.0W 154.0 153.6 40.4 -19.6
                                 
                            AMC 5   79.0W 161.1 160.7 42.1 -14.4
                                 
                          Nimiq 2   82.0W 165.6 165.1 42.8 -11.0
                                 
                            AMC 9   83.0W 167.1 166.6 43.0  -9.9
                                 
                     Brasilsat B3   84.0W 168.6 168.1 43.2  -8.7
                                 
                           AMC 16   85.0W 170.1 169.7 43.3  -7.6
                                 
                            AMC 3   87.0W 173.2 172.7 43.6  -5.2
                                 
              Intelsat Americas 8   89.0W 176.3 175.8 43.7  -2.8
                                 
                 Galaxy 11/Nimiq1   91.0W 179.4 179.0 43.8  -0.4
                                 
                     Brasilsat B4   92.0W 181.0 180.5 43.8   0.7
                                 
                        Telstar 6   93.0W 182.5 182.1 43.8   1.9
                                 
                        Galaxy 3C   95.0W 185.6 185.2 43.6   4.3
                                 
              Intelsat Americas 5   97.0W 188.7 188.3 43.4   6.7
                                 
                        Galaxy 4R   99.0W 191.8 191.3 43.1   9.0
                                 
                            AMC 4  101.0W 194.8 194.3 42.7  11.3
                                 
                            AMC 1  103.0W 197.8 197.3 42.3  13.5
                                 
                           AMC 15  105.0W 200.7 200.2 41.7  15.7
                                 
                          Anik F1  107.3W 204.0 203.5 40.9  18.1
                                 
         DirecTV 6 & EchoStar 6/8  110.0W 207.7 207.2 39.9  20.9
                                 
                          Anik F2  111.1W 209.2 208.7 39.5  22.0
                                 
                    Solidaridad 2  113.0W 211.7 211.2 38.7  23.8
                                 
                         SatMex 5  116.8W 216.5 216.1 36.9  27.2
                                 
          EchoStar 7 & DirecTV 7S  119.0W 219.2 218.7 35.7  29.0
                                 
  EchoStar 9/Intelsat Americas 13  121.0W 221.5 221.1 34.7  30.6
                                 
                       Galaxy 10R  123.0W 223.8 223.4 33.5  32.1
                                 
                        Galaxy 12  125.0W 226.0 225.6 32.3  33.5
                                 
             Galaxy 13/Horizons 1  127.0W 228.1 227.7 31.1  34.8
                                 
 Intelsat Americas 7 & EchoStar 5  129.0W 230.2 229.8 29.9  36.1
                                 
                           AMC 11  131.0W 232.2 231.8 28.6  37.3
                                 
                        Galaxy 1R  133.0W 234.2 233.7 27.2  38.4
                                 
                           AMC 10  135.0W 236.0 235.6 25.9  39.5
                                 
                            AMC 7  137.0W 237.9 237.4 24.5  40.5
                                 
                            AMC 8  139.0W 239.6 239.2 23.1  41.4
                                 
                     EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 247.1 246.6 16.6  44.9

        Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus

Your True South satellite is G11 @ 91w

I think you mean LNB, LNBF is an LNB with a Feedhorn.

On a motorized system the skew sets its self, you have your LNBF straight up and down on your True South satellite and the rest takes care of its self.

W_Tracy_Parnell · Sep 1, 2005

Here is a link to a walkthrough that I did. While it is specific to a Coolsat receiver and an SG2100 motor, I think there is some information that could prove useful to you:

http://www.pbase.com/wtracyparnell/coolsat_4000_prosg2100

You won't be able to get much with the 18 inch dish so you are right to look for a larger one. To find out what type of programming is up there see:

http://www.lyngsat.com/

http://www.ftalist.com/

havenx · Sep 10, 2005

motors and LNBs

Okay with a motorized system is there any need for more than one LNBs?

PSB · Sep 10, 2005

If you use a KU LNBF you could always use a DBS LNBF zip tied to the KU LNBF for the few TV and Radio channels that are DBS/FTA.

The new Invacom QPH-031 does both linear(KU) and circular =(DBS) at the same time in the MAIN focal position! So one LNBF can do it all!

Technojunky · Sep 11, 2005

Pete, when you say that the 031 can do circular and linear at the same time, how is the operation of the 031 any different than two LNB's, tied together using a Diseq? Don't they get accessed only one at a time? Or, is the switching of the Diseq so fast that nobody would notice it?

Thanks, Joe

PSB said:
If you use a KU LNBF you could always use a DBS LNBF zip tied to the KU LNBF for the few TV and Radio channels that are DBS/FTA.

The new Invacom QPH-031 does both linear(KU) and circular =(DBS) at the same time in the MAIN focal position! So one LNBF can do it all!

bigOleB · Sep 11, 2005

The following link is a list of everything you can get with an 18" dish:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=25452

PSB · Sep 11, 2005

I use a 2 way DiSEqC switch and then after set up in the menu switching is flawless and you do not even notice what channels is on what satellite, works great. Of course you can also do this with a zip tied DBS LNB, but with the QPH-031 there is no offseting the AZ. If you want to watch AMC-4 at 101w you aim at 101w but you are also aiming at DirecTV 101w at the same time. Its always best to have any LNBF at the main focal position of your dish, I get signal quality of 99% on all DBS channels. Rain fade..........NO MORE!

havenx · Sep 14, 2005

My stuff came in today. Here is what I got.
An Eagle Aspen DTV32+ LNB that I don't know much about but I am gonna guess that someone here knows.
18" Dish
Pansat 2700A

I got my hole dug and my post is in the creat dryng as I am typing now.

Tomorrow I am gonna throw the dish on there and line stuff up as best I can.... I know I prolly won't get much but I am gonna try.

Any last minute advice that would be helpful?

PSB · Sep 14, 2005

ADVICE.........

Get a BIGGER dish and a KU LNBF

Technojunky · Sep 14, 2005

I guess you know that an 18" dish is only meant for dinner? From what I've been told, and have read, you will only be able to get the most powerful satellites with an 18" dish. That would be the Dishnet birds. Most people that start off with an 18" dish, do so because they already have it from a past pay service. If you were going to pay for a dish, the 30" dishes can be bought for very reasonable prices. 30" is the recommended minimum of dish size for true FTA. The general rule is, Bigger is Better. I have not tried to receive any other satellites than the ones I could get while pointed at the 110W Dishnet bird. I get good signal on 8 satellites from sitting in that one position with a 36" dish that I bought from Sadoun. My dish is very good quality, it supports the heavy QPH-031 quad LNB with no trouble at all. I have heard a few people complain that their dish could not hold the QPH without additional support. I can't imagine that, but I guess it could happen.
On my setup, I started with my dish on a 1 5/8 pole by the side of my garage. I had easy access to power and could sit by the dish and tune it while watching my receiver on a little TV. Today, I put the finishing touches on a new pole that I set into over 200 lbs of concrete. It is a 2 3/8 pipe, and it is also filled with concrete, and it is 100 % plumb. I ran PVC conduit undeground and up the side of the pole, and part of it is set in the concrete. I also ran my RG6 out to the pole. Tommorow I may get to finish the cable termination and take my dish off of its current pole and line it up with my motor for Saturday morning. I am going to setup a table at the new location with a long extension cord, or my little Honda, and tune my dish for AMC-5 at 79.0W If I get that done, I should be on my way to seeing some of the other great FTA birds that are up there.
One question for those in the know, Pete, IceIceBerg, and others. I am now going to have near 100 or more feet of coax and two coax transitions, with one set of diplexers in-line. Coudl I, should I, use a line amplifier? They are marked as for DBS and have a gain of 15 - 18 db. They pass DC 14 - 18V , 25 - 40ma, Max Output 950 - 2050 MHZ 110 dBuV. Designed for indoor use, recommended for runs of 100 feet or more. I am sure I am over 100 feet. Are there any drawbacks to using them? Thanks, Joe

PSB · Sep 14, 2005

Should be no need over such a short distance, over the years I have never had to use them (in line amp), but I have removed MANY resulting in better signal a lot of times. If there is any noise in the line it is also amplified, if you are having trouble try it. If not don't bother. Just my opinion.

havenx · Sep 14, 2005

PSB said:
ADVICE.........

Get a BIGGER dish and a KU LNBF

I thought my LNB was KU...

PSB · Sep 14, 2005

"Eagle Aspen DTV32+ LNB"

Its KU, DBS so its circular polarized(right hand/left hand). Regular KU LNB's are linear polarized (H/V) so you will be stuck with the above channels for now : (

havenx · Sep 14, 2005

What above chans?

PSB said:
"Eagle Aspen DTV32+ LNB"

Its KU, DBS so its circular polarized(right hand/left hand). Regular KU LNB's are linear polarized (H/V) so you will be stuck with the above channels for now : (

TiminMb · Sep 14, 2005

Looks like a great piece of software. Does it have Canadian cities? Is it available to us?

PSB said:

HELLO, Welcome to the SateliteGuys.US FTA forum!

Here are all the angles to the satellites from your location........

Code:

                        Quincy, IL 62301
          Latitude 39° 55.842'N Longitude 91° 22.578'W


                         Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)   El  Skew
----------------------------------------------------------------
                                 
                                 
                     Intelsat 901   18.0W 100.8 100.4  4.0 -48.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 603   20.0W 102.2 101.8  5.5 -48.5
                                 
                            NSS 7   22.0W 103.6 103.1  7.0 -48.2
                                 
                     Intelsat 905   24.5W 105.3 104.9  8.9 -47.7
                                 
                     Intelsat 907   27.5W 107.5 107.0 11.2 -47.0
                                 
                   Hispasat 1C/1D   30.0W 109.3 108.9 13.1 -46.4
                                 
                     Intelsat 801   31.5W 110.4 110.0 14.2 -45.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 903   34.5W 112.7 112.3 16.4 -45.0
                                 
              AMC 12 & Telstar 11   37.5W 115.1 114.6 18.6 -44.0
                                 
                          NSS 806   40.5W 117.6 117.1 20.8 -42.8
                                 
                        PAS 6B/3R   43.0W 119.7 119.2 22.6 -41.8
                                 
                           PAS 1R   45.0W 121.5 121.0 24.0 -40.9
                                 
                     Intelsat 705   50.0W 126.1 125.6 27.4 -38.3
                                 
                     Intelsat 707   53.0W 129.0 128.6 29.4 -36.6
                                 
                     Intelsat 805   55.5W 131.6 131.1 31.0 -35.0
                                 
                            PAS 9   58.0W 134.3 133.8 32.5 -33.3
                                 
                         Amazonas   61.0W 137.6 137.1 34.2 -31.1
                                 
           EchoStar 3 & Rainbow 1   61.5W 138.2 137.7 34.5 -30.8
                                 
                 Estrela do Sul 1   63.0W 139.9 139.5 35.3 -29.6
                                 
                     Brasilsat B2   65.0W 142.3 141.9 36.4 -28.0
                                 
                     Brasilsat B1   70.0W 148.6 148.2 38.8 -23.5
                                 
                 Nahuel 1 & AMC 6   72.0W 151.3 150.8 39.6 -21.6
                                 
                            AMC 6   72.0W 151.3 150.8 39.6 -21.6
                                 
                        DirecTV 5   72.5W 152.0 151.5 39.8 -21.1
                                 
                            SBS 6   74.0W 154.0 153.6 40.4 -19.6
                                 
                            AMC 5   79.0W 161.1 160.7 42.1 -14.4
                                 
                          Nimiq 2   82.0W 165.6 165.1 42.8 -11.0
                                 
                            AMC 9   83.0W 167.1 166.6 43.0  -9.9
                                 
                     Brasilsat B3   84.0W 168.6 168.1 43.2  -8.7
                                 
                           AMC 16   85.0W 170.1 169.7 43.3  -7.6
                                 
                            AMC 3   87.0W 173.2 172.7 43.6  -5.2
                                 
              Intelsat Americas 8   89.0W 176.3 175.8 43.7  -2.8
                                 
                 Galaxy 11/Nimiq1   91.0W 179.4 179.0 43.8  -0.4
                                 
                     Brasilsat B4   92.0W 181.0 180.5 43.8   0.7
                                 
                        Telstar 6   93.0W 182.5 182.1 43.8   1.9
                                 
                        Galaxy 3C   95.0W 185.6 185.2 43.6   4.3
                                 
              Intelsat Americas 5   97.0W 188.7 188.3 43.4   6.7
                                 
                        Galaxy 4R   99.0W 191.8 191.3 43.1   9.0
                                 
                            AMC 4  101.0W 194.8 194.3 42.7  11.3
                                 
                            AMC 1  103.0W 197.8 197.3 42.3  13.5
                                 
                           AMC 15  105.0W 200.7 200.2 41.7  15.7
                                 
                          Anik F1  107.3W 204.0 203.5 40.9  18.1
                                 
         DirecTV 6 & EchoStar 6/8  110.0W 207.7 207.2 39.9  20.9
                                 
                          Anik F2  111.1W 209.2 208.7 39.5  22.0
                                 
                    Solidaridad 2  113.0W 211.7 211.2 38.7  23.8
                                 
                         SatMex 5  116.8W 216.5 216.1 36.9  27.2
                                 
          EchoStar 7 & DirecTV 7S  119.0W 219.2 218.7 35.7  29.0
                                 
  EchoStar 9/Intelsat Americas 13  121.0W 221.5 221.1 34.7  30.6
                                 
                       Galaxy 10R  123.0W 223.8 223.4 33.5  32.1
                                 
                        Galaxy 12  125.0W 226.0 225.6 32.3  33.5
                                 
             Galaxy 13/Horizons 1  127.0W 228.1 227.7 31.1  34.8
                                 
 Intelsat Americas 7 & EchoStar 5  129.0W 230.2 229.8 29.9  36.1
                                 
                           AMC 11  131.0W 232.2 231.8 28.6  37.3
                                 
                        Galaxy 1R  133.0W 234.2 233.7 27.2  38.4
                                 
                           AMC 10  135.0W 236.0 235.6 25.9  39.5
                                 
                            AMC 7  137.0W 237.9 237.4 24.5  40.5
                                 
                            AMC 8  139.0W 239.6 239.2 23.1  41.4
                                 
                     EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 247.1 246.6 16.6  44.9

        Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus

Your True South satellite is G11 @ 91w

I think you mean LNB, LNBF is an LNB with a Feedhorn.

On a motorized system the skew sets its self, you have your LNBF straight up and down on your True South satellite and the rest takes care of its self.

PSB · Sep 14, 2005

Its FREE

http://www.arachnoid.com/satfinder/

IN Canada use your exact Lat. and Long. : )

havenx · Sep 14, 2005

havenx said:
What above chans?

What I mean is, what birds will I be able to connect to so that I know where I should aim the dish.

PSB · Sep 14, 2005

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=25452

This is what you can expect to get FTA with an 18" dish and DBS LNB.

TiminMb · Sep 15, 2005

Thanks!

PSB said:
Its FREE

http://www.arachnoid.com/satfinder/

IN Canada use your exact Lat. and Long. : )

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