I made the switch from Universal to Standard! (Plus a "semi-review")

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First of all, I absolutely loved my Avenger PLL 321S-2 Universal Ku-band LNBF! But after thinking I had resolved my issues with the long cable runs by replacing some inferior coax with high grade RG-6, the sudden change in temperature seemed -- for whatever reason -- to affect my MicroHD communicating long distance with the dish! This resulted in wrong polarity scans (reading Horizontals as Verticals, or indeed not reading Horizontals at all) and other similar problems. Now, I knew I could resolve this in a couple of ways: switch out with a receiver that can output a slightly higher voltage (such as the Nano HD, or back to my old Openbox s10 -- which isn't an option since my brother is using it), or I could put the old DRO LNBF back on the dish.

While asking Michael (ke4est) about the Nano HD, he suggested an interesting third option -- a new standard PLL LNBF (very similar to a popular model sold in the past year) redesigned to accept lower voltage for polarity switching! Now, part of me whined about it being a standard instead of a universal. Being in a part of the country where I can get a few Atlantic satellites, I like the idea of being able to scan that part of the spectrum. However, in the end, I thought about what was really on that part of the spectrum in my area. Basically, it came down to ENLACE on 50W (which is available on 97W anyway) and two African stations on 45W: RASD-TV and TV Al Nasr Chad (neither of which I ever found myself wanting to watch for long periods). True, from time to time, something on 50W will become unscrambled for a free preview weekend, but that seems to happen only once or twice a year. Once again, I don't really sit and watch those stations when they are ITC. I usually find something more interesting on Netflix as far as enjoying a movie, and a "Telenovela" only has limited appeal. None of the feeds I've found on these Sats have ever been in that part of the spectrum, either. Then, I thought about the extra time that I would save in doing a blindscan of the arc. A few minutes here, a few seconds there -- it will all add up significantly! This, as a tradeoff for a more reliable "link" between my STB and the dish, would be well worth it. So I ordered one.

My first surprise was when the package arrived. There was no brand listed when I ordered it, but here it was: a Titanium PLL-1KS! Even better news: after a week of testing in similar weather conditions, I have yet to experience any of the issues I had with the Avenger. Again, I'm keeping the Avenger (I might want to play with a universal PLL again) -- it works great, but just as was the case with the Geosat PLL standard LNBF, it seems that lots of folks with longer cable runs were having issues with STBs that had carefully regulated voltage (and I can't think that regulated voltage is necessarily a bad thing when using switches or motors). The signals on PBS might even be a bit stronger than what I had on the Avenger (several are coming in at 82% Q), although perhaps less on other stations such as UWTV. However, to be quite honest you probably won't notice a big difference in that area, especially when comparing a PLL to another PLL. Heck, with either PLL, I get the Florida Channel perfectly with only a 0 - 15% Signal Quality.

In the end, if you have a long coax run and are having occasional problems with voltage switching with your current PLL LNBF, you might want to give this new Titanium PLL-1KS a try. It is a little more expensive than the Avenger and some of the other models out there, but it works great and looks built to last. And as always, you can keep your current LNBF as a backup or use those universals for fun experiments on the Atlantic Sats.
 
Are those available for sale yet, or were you just getting to test one? Sounds great! How much of a cable run are you talking about? Mine's about 110' or so.
 
It seems he still has a few more in stock you can buy :) I would say mine is about the same run of cable. I don't know if this little gem was supposed to be announced to the public yet as a Titanium product, and I apologize if there are other resellers on here that also have this product (because this was the first I heard of it). Anyway, with permission, here's the link to the product I bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181269477814

PS: Yep, I paid money for this, so this is an authentic review hehehe
 
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Thats interesting info re the AVENGER PLL LNB. I have 2 that I got this past spring and I am quite pleased though I don't like that they draw 165ma of current. That very high compared to all my other LNBs. My 2 runs of RG6 cable are just under 100ft.
So no problem there.
What is the PLL-1KS current consumption?
 
I'm not electrically competent enough to know how to measure that, but from the specifications: 130mA (max)
 
It seems he still has a few more in stock you can buy :) I would say mine is about the same run of cable. I don't know if this little gem was supposed to be announced to the public yet as a Titanium product, and I apologize if there are other resellers on here that also have this product (because this was the first I heard of it). Anyway, with permission, here's the link to the product I bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181269477814

PS: Yep, I paid money for this, so this is an authentic review hehehe
Looks almost exactly to a Geosat Pro SL1 PLL..
 
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Yep! I also thought they looked the same, and probably are except for the voltage requirement. The Geosat has a 160mA max draw (the Avenger is 165mA max). The specs on this one say 130mA max.
 
Cold & wet snap you mean! Rain and 40 right now, I think Wednesday evening it may turn to mix or/snow for awhile.
 
Opted on a soft launch of the PLL-1KS with most of time and focus on the ASC1 and C1-PLL release.

The PLL-1KS unit uses a newly released chipset version that only draws a typical 125mA and 130mA max. This is much lower than the other model mentioned that is rated at 165mA. This reduces temperature build-up and minimizes the load on your receiver.

The horizontal switch point was set at 16.5 to help facilitate reliable horizontal switching that often is impacted by voltage drops caused by switches, motors, fittings, long or compromised cable runs.
 
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125 to 130 ma. draw sounds good, I had current problems with my Avenger PLL on about a 100' run and had to move the dish back near my house onto a short run to fix it. Come summertime, maybe my dish will move back where I wanted it with a PLL-1KS.....

Seems like every product that Titanium is coming out with I want!
 
I guess you've explained my problem. With 200 feet of RG-6, an Avenger PLL321S-2, and one diseqc switch, the microHD stopped being able to drive my motor reliably. I can't move my motorized dish location; I could get better coaxial cable for a hefty fee. I like the universal LNB for playing with the eastern sats so I don't want to compromise on that by going to a standard LNB. So the least expensive solution for me was to go back to my Openbox S9.
 
Why would I do that? The Avenger PLL321S-2 performs better than even my best non-PLL LNB. And I have four non-PLL LNBs including two SL2 bullets to compare against. Better means a PLL LNB not only seems to be more sensitive to receive weaker tps but, equally important, they "latch" onto a signal without needing to so precisely aim your dish. Nobody ever again should buy a non-PLL Ku-band LNB. They are old technology in the same way that DVB-S receivers are.
 
Yep, several solutions out there, depending on your needs and habits. For me, I couldn't go back to my Openbox (and prefer the MicroHD anyway), and going to a DRO would instantly make a few channels weak and/or unviewable. Since I can't get past 30W reasonably (I still might try to experiment again one day, but I think the trees are too tall in that direction), right now the standard lnbf is fine for me. My Avenger worked great 85% of the time, but the lower voltage switching on this new lnbf was a reasonably priced solution for me without much sacrifice :) [good-bye for now to RASD & Chad on 45W, and Enlace on 50W]
 
Why would I do that? The Avenger PLL321S-2 performs better than even my best non-PLL LNB. And I have four non-PLL LNBs including two SL2 bullets to compare against. Better means a PLL LNB not only seems to be more sensitive to receive weaker tps but, equally important, they "latch" onto a signal without needing to so precisely aim your dish. Nobody ever again should buy a non-PLL Ku-band LNB. They are old technology in the same way that DVB-S receivers are.

I have a number of LNBs in my collection and yes the PLL really shines. The only other LNB that comes close is the QPH-031 in respect to sensitivity but at a substantial cost and weight, but it does have a much lower current draw.
 
...Basically, it came down to ENLACE on 50W (which is available on 97W anyway) and two African stations on 45W: RASD-TV and TV Al Nasr Chad (neither of which I ever found myself wanting to watch for long periods). True, from time to time, something on 50W will become unscrambled for a free preview weekend, but that seems to happen only once or twice a year...
Found 50W for the first time ever today. It was exciting scanning in 121 channels (only 1 ITC); new satellites are so hard to find on Ku. Not that I'll be watching that single ITC channel much, but it's renewed my faith in the little microHD to find something new via USALS.
 
Every now and then, like once a year or so, there's a free preview weekend of one of the movie channels or a local out of Central America (I believe the 50W bird is mostly a Claro Premium Satellite station mux). As far as the Enlace station, don't forget you can already view this one on 97W with a standard or universal LNBF. Still, it's nice to know you can check out 50W if you want with the Avenger and MicroHD! That one is now my backup and the Titanium PLL-1KS standard is the one I use everyday because of voltage issues with a long cable run :)

PS -- Have you tried 45W yet with your Avenger? Theoretically, you should be able to get two stations: one out of Chad and the other being the Western Sahara liberation channel.
 
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