heat sink replace or clean

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Hello,
I have heat problems with my computer, a custom-build job about 2yrs old. It has an AMD processor which does put out a lot of heat. Problem is, about once a year since I got it, it gets the heat-sink and fan clogged up with dust so bad it won't cool. A guy I knew did this for me last year but he has moved away.
I have all the instructions on how to do this, and a new heat sink (if needed) plus the thermal compound needed.
How hard is it to do this? I only watched before, and I'm hesitant to try this
job. I don't quite see how that clamp holds down the heatsink, but maybe it will be more clear once I tear into it? Any tips or warnings before I wade in?
Thanks
 
Which processor and socket is it?

If you are going to get inside you might as well upgrade the processor heatsink/fan (GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF) and add additional compound (Arctic Silver 5). Also make sure you have at least 2 high-flow case fans (SILVERSTONE FM121) setup in an efficient push/pull config. See my simplistic push/pull diagram.
 

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It's pretty slow by current standards, I think it is 1667, 1.6 ? I do have new fan/heatsink ready to
install. I guess it's either sink or swim lol
 
What is your fan's CFM?

What is your case cooling setup?

Your CPU fan/heatsink may not be the biggest/only problem and you do not want to bake your CPU.
 
My case looks like your picture (leave side panel off anyway)
It has done this before, when cpu gets too hot (due to dust clogging heat sink)
computer will shut down after only 5-10min . Once it cools, runs again for short time. Once heat sink is cleaned, runs ok for a yr or so. Guess I need the oreck air cleaner for this room full of electronic gadgetry-always a bit dusty.
 
Like Charper said, make sure you have one (at least) case fan set up to pull air into case and one to push air out. The more air flow the better (case fans have arrows that point in the direction of air flow, if you go and buy them, just make sure one fan arrow points in, and the arrow on the other case fan points out of your case after you install them). (note: most power supplies do have a fan, but this fan is really meant to cool power-supply, not enough to pull air through case thereby cooling components and cool the power-supply too.

Another thing about case fans, you can filter the air that comes into the computer, because air is more likely to flow where case fan is, and if case fan on the front is pulling air in, and you put yourself a sponge filter in front of it, it will collect dust/lent, leaving inside of your computer fairly clean. Would just have to clean/check filter often.

Leave your case off, and make sure your CPU fan is working when computer is on (sometimes they quit) so that you can rule out CPU fan. Also, dust is more likely to accumulate if computer is sitting on the floor, especially carpet. If your computer sits on the floor, try putting it up on a table or something, to get it off of the floor. That should reduce the amount of dust it collects. If not on the floor, then make sure you don't have a lot of lent/dirt around computer (say 5 foot radius).

Clips on heat-sinks are different from one another (similar, but most are a little different). Just study where and how clip is positioned, then when you go to reinstall, you'll have a good idea. Better yet, take a digital photo (or 2 or 3) so you can visually check your reinstall of heat-sink. Most of the time they are spring clips, pushing in one spot causes another to raise/lower so that clip springs open and you are able to remove it. Just remove one side at a time, if it is a socket processor, it should have one side that has a spot that looks like it is meant to be pushed on, push down, and it should lower it below plastic that is holding it. After it is down, might have to pull out on it a little, but it should release. Once one side is released, pushing that side towards the side that is still attached should slide it out, enough for that side to become unclipped. Slot processor's are similar, just might have to study a little longer before removing.

If it just taking case off, and cleaning inside of computer and removing heat-sink/fan and cleaning that, it really isn't that difficult. Just don't forget to open your CD-Rom drives and clean them too, open them, and blow air through them, while case is open. So that dust gets out of them. Clean around front of computer where CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive(s) are at, to be sure to get dust out of there too.

Turn off computer and unplug before trying to clean it (open CD-ROM's before shutting down computer) don't use metal vacuums (just use canned air from the store, it is ok to use Vacuum on the outside of computer, but don't use it inside to be on the safe side). Touch your hand to metal parts of case to discharge any static electricity (note: this isn't the "preferred way" but better than nothing) before removing heat-sink, you'll be close to one of the most sensitive to static discharge components in your computer (second to Memory) having just a little (less than you can feel actually) static discharge can mess up your CPU (or memory or the various chips that lie on your motherboard).

Beyond that, it really isn't hard. Clean like you would anything else (just don't use liquids of any kind). I mentioned static concerns so you would be aware, however, most never have a issue with this, just be aware, but don't be too overly concerned. Also, if you can, you should be able to clean heat-sink/fan without removing it. If you are too afraid to remove it, clean it still on the MB. Just have to make sure you go at it in every direction you can, so that you clean it well.
 
Thanks TonyP that was the kind of info I needed, thanks for taking the time. I was just reluctant to
tear into it since I never tried it before (ever get the fat-finger syndrome?lol)
It's up and running somehow, brand new heat-sink/fan, managed not to get the thermal goop everyplace. Clips are abastard though, can't get my hands down in there very well, after taking out the PS it was fairly easy. This thing is a ......let me see.......Thermaltake 480 silent purepower. Makes more noise than my window a/c but does the job. and has 2 fans on it, one in the case and the one on the heat sink. It's off the floor 3' and has been, and 6'away from an a/c that runs all the time. should be good to pute again for a few months! Appreciate the info!
EDIT>>> Not so fast, it says!! Ran 10min, shut down again. Got it back to bios>temp monitor says cpu 49C, I think that is too much. Something must've
screwed up with my heatsinking adventure. I followed instructions to the letter, too. Put a portable fan back to blowing on the innards, temp drops to 35C. I don't get it.
 
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Tested memory , removed one stick at a time and restarting, still same thing.
Put small fan in floor blowing up into case again, works. Maybe a solder joint, crack someplace that causes something else to fail once it gets warmed up.
Seems to check about 35-42C with its fans, and the floor fan, and works ok.
Time for new mb maybe.
 
I recently was having problems with my pc. Games I used to be able to run at max settings were now freezing up when I ran them at the minimum settings. It was running hot, and in my case the video card was especially running hot. I had done all the things tonyp56 mentioned, including blowing air through my video card while it was in the computer. I have a nVidia 6800gt. It has a small fan drawing air across the heatsink, with a cover over the heatsink. The fan side points toward the bottom of the box. I removed the card, and then removed the cover. The inside was packed full of dust. I put it back in and the temp in the card, while not running any programs, had dropped 20 to 30 degrees. I am now able to run everything the way I used to. My son has the same computer, with the same video card, and he had been having the same kind of problems. He was home from college while I did this, and was planning to take his card out and clean it as soon as he got back. I have a suspicion there might be others who don't think about cleaning out the passage in their video card. This was my first video card with its own fan, never had to do this before.
 
Thanks Bogy I will check that out too, but I know my video has no fan on it. I do remember somebody saying 'pull out the video card and reseat it as that sometimes causes problems too'
I'll go thru it again tonight with the air-can and pull out the cards and check for dust.
 
I guess every CPU is different but I don't think 49' C is shut-down-now temperature. It's warm (my XP2500 will get that high under a heavy load) but not danger-zone, IMO. It's possible your BIOS alert is possibly too low.
 
Pulling out hair here!!!!!! still no fix

I have replaced video card with known good one (PCI) reseated the lan card and the sound card (soundblaster live) AND removed/cleaned/replaced heatsink again , and this !%R@#$ computer still will not run more than 30min.
Usually about 10-15min before I get the automatic reboot. Soon as it reboots, I can check cpu temp in bios, 38C avg, not higher than 42 the last couple of days. Yes I am using the thermal paste on the heatsink and placing it according to instructions from amd. (its an old XP2000, 1667mhz)
With a table fan blowing right on the motherboard, it runs 10-15min longer before shutdown but still does it.
Temp sensor under the cpu??? Crack in motherboard I can't see?
New PS today, ran 10min and shutdown.
Is it time to buy a MB and new CPU and rebuild ? I've check memory with memtest86, most it can run is 30min before shutdown occurs but no errors were found. Any other clues I can check before I go for the sledgehammer?
 
Yep I read that too. I know its not overheating as I can stick fingers on the sides of the heatsink and it is just comfortably warm. Something "thinks" it is and is shutting the thing down though. Or its shutting down because of some other problem I haven't figured out yet.
:More : its been running since 3pm and no shutdown >with the small table fan blowing on the innards, case sides removed. Gonna fire up a little game in a few min and see if that knocks it down, has done it every time since this started. CPU -weak faulty something. dang i hate mysteries
 
I'd be inclined to believe that your problem is your power supply. It may be providing sufficient power when the machine is just idling along, but not enough "under load", which is when your fans are going to kick in/speed up to cool things down, etc. The part I have experienced failing most often on computers is the power supply.
 
I figured it out

Took me long enough! Looked at the motherboard (in good light lol)
found 4 bulging capacitors>surely the cause of the random reboots. Luckily none are leaking but it is only a matter of time. Since it will fail eventually I am going to try replacing them myself, having some experience with a soldering iron. Tomorrow I will start searching for replacement caps and try to bring this
old Giga-byte back to health. Thanks for badcaps.net having all this information available.
 
Back! With a new MB/Processor. Boy I am way behind too, they have features now I don't know beans about. Asus M2R32-MVP. I quit studying computer innards once I got a linux machine going about 4yrs ago, and the thing sure lasted a long time. (I'm a 'if it aint broke, dont!' type of computer guy)
The have ethernet built-in now, no more pci card for that, 8channel sound but I dont have enough speakers for that yet, and slots now called 'PCI-express'??
One dang connector for the IDE cables too, guess that means I will have to do without a second HD, or not have the cd writer.
It's going to take me weeks to figure out all this stuff, but somehow my linux partition boots now, and it apparently had the networking stuff still stored in it so I didn't have to try to remember my DSL logon name/password. Its funny that the 2yr old linux OS I'm running immediately detected/configured this on-board LAN stuff.
Tomorrow should be fun, trying to get this sucker to boot my Win2000Pro
partition, since the info was on the MBR of the older/smaller HD I had to remove. No reboots so far with this new super duper Athlon 64X2 5400-hope it's not junk!
Thanks for everyone's help here, putting in my first MB was stressful but it's running nicely so far, 2hrs or so.
 
What is/was your PC need as in specs? If I remember correctly that board is somewhat geared toward the gaming set thus the single IDe/PATA connector as this board really commands SATA II use. If you aren't a game head you could have saved a fair amount of cash on a board geared more toward your needs or about the same money on a quality board with connectors more suited toward you; like maybe the ASUS M2N4-SLI motherboard (to stay in the same make & family. Did you want those specific mobo chipsets or were you open?
 
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