first thing, i thought it was round, now i know it was oval. spent half a day looking for signal on the fence post. failed. went down to home depot and bought an 8' 2 3/4" round post and strapped it to the fence and got 100' of rg6 to run it into the house. then looked at google to map south from the fence post. i was a lot off of direct south and got that corrected. still looking for signal so set openbox to ccc9 english channel. then moved dish up and down. lo and behold i was ten points off on discrimination. got it at 29 instead of 39. i liked looking for signal with regular tv instead of finding signal. i think the regular tv channel comes in quicker. anyway, then went to south at 90 and peaked the signal with the discrimination setting and then all the satellites came in including 125w. montana pbs was coming in very good. one thing i forgot to bring with me from nebraska was my geopro dsr200. i like finding signals with it better than with the openbox. anyway, my k band dish is gone and i am left with the 6' and 8' c band dishes. charlie