entering symbol rates

[shankle]

Looking at Lyngsat the symbol rates are very confusing.
Ex: For Echostar 9c I have attached a picture of Azteca America and a few others.
The Azteca Americas SR is 105. Is that 10500, 1050?
HITN-TVs SR is 4444-3/4 - have no idea what to enter.
Other have a 1, 2, 3, 4 and in the next column other numbers.
Any ideas to get me straightened out?

 

[Blindowl1234]

Shankle, Lyngsat is often out of date and confusing. I'd use the "list " at the top of the page here. Also Global-cm.net is good as well. Check those list first and what I'm saying should make more sense. Example on Lyngsat would be HITN, use 3877 H 4444. The 104 your looking at was either the audio or video PID.
Example if you were to manually enter a channel with a tp of say 3876 H 5182...info from Global-cm.net,
the 5182 is the symbol rate. If you're blind scanning the VPID or APID wouldn't matter it usually finds it if you locked the transponder in ok. If you manually enter the info...example the receiver lets you add a channel manually....you'd enter 3876 H 5182 then APID 512, VPID 513, and PCR 512. The PCR usually is the same as the APID. Here's an oddball situation...If you were blind scanning say 91W Cband most receivers won't pick up the CW channels....that's one example of something you'd have to manually enter all the info including APID, VPID, and PCR. Several radio channels require you to manually enter the APID info as you can't blind scan them.Believe me if you look at one of the other lists if will make better sense than starting with Lyngsat. Hope this helps and wasn't more confusing If I missed something others will let us know.....Blind

 

[John Popper]

Shankle, where I placed the black arrow is the symbol rate number, so the Azteca mux @ 3869V has a symbol rate of 10851. the number below (105) is the PID number for the channel Azteca America Este, Azteca America Oeste has PID number (107). Both channels will have the same symbol rate = 10851

HITN's Symbol Rate is 4444

the number next to the symbol rate (for example on HITN = 3/4) is the FEC number which if you are using some receivers (like my coolsat 6000) you will never need to input.

 

[shankle]

Thanks guys that helps quite a bit.
Will check out "global-cm.net".
Not sure where to find the other one.

 

[phlatwound]

Not sure where to find the other one.

There is a tab on the top of all the forum pages:

SatelliteGuys.US - TheList

 

[shankle]

I looked at Global and the List Here but they don't give Symbol Rates which I
need to program into my Pansat receiver that I can see. Maybe I missed something.
Anyway I have attached a small section of Echostar 9c which is puzzling
me from Lyngsat. Just for talking purposes, supose I wanted to program all 5 items. They would all have 3900 V TP10 and SR 27684. That just doesn't sound right. To program the Pansat 2800 I need to add Frequency, Symbol Rate and
Polarity. Nothing else is asked for.

 

[B.J.]

I looked at Global and the List Here but they don't give Symbol Rates which I
need to program into my Pansat receiver that I can see. Maybe I missed something.
Anyway I have attached a small section of Echostar 9c which is puzzling
me from Lyngsat. Just for talking purposes, supose I wanted to program all 5 items. They would all have 3900 V TP10 and SR 27684. That just doesn't sound right. To program the Pansat 2800 I need to add Frequency, Symbol Rate and
Polarity. Nothing else is asked for.

The frequency, symbol rate and polarity define the transponder, not the channels. To get the channels, generally you have to scan the transponder, and the receiver will then enter the video and audio PIDs for each channel into it's channel list, or, if they are hidden channels, you usually can enter those parameters via manual PID entry.
Anyway, I think you're confusing transponder parameters with channel parameters. All the channels on a transponder have the same freq/SR and polarity.

 

[shankle]

Thank you B.J. for responding.
I wouldn't doubt that I'm confused. This is a lot to swallow for a novice.
Either I learn this or do without BUD TV.

So let me see if I understand you,
If I program the receiver for "Telepace" then I will also be able to pick up
Ettv Global, Ettv America, Ettv super, Al Jazerra? They all have the same Frequency, Synbol Rate and Polarity. Or which one will I get? Or will I get them all? I don't see how from a Pansat 2800 point of view.

 

[John Popper]

They would all have 3900 V TP10 and SR 27684. That just doesn't sound right.

actually that IS right, the tp houses all the channels, what differentiates each one is the PID number, for example Telepace will have PID number 1056, ETTV Global PID will be 1300, etc.


I don't know how a Pansat works but on my Coolsat whenever I manually scan a TP then all the channels in that TP will show up, all I need is the frequency and system rate, so If i scanned 3900V SR 27684, then Telepace,Ettv Global, Ettv America, Ettv super and Al Jazeera will show up

 

[John Popper]

I looked at Global and the List Here but they don't give Symbol Rates which I
need to program into my Pansat receiver that I can see. Maybe I missed something.

it is there, red arrow is your SR