EchoStar Seeking 120-Day Transition

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EchoStar Seeking 120-Day Transition
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By Ted Hearn 9/13/2006 5:11:00 PM

In a court filing late Tuesday, EchoStar Communications asked for at least 120 business days to comply if ordered by a federal judge to terminate Big Four network programming to more than 800,000 subscribers largely located in rural areas.

EchoStar is facing a sweeping injunction from a federal judge in south Florida that would bar it from selling ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox programming to a class of subscribers who qualify under federal law to purchase imported network signals because local affiliates can’t be viewed with off-air antennas.

News Corp. -- which controls DirecTV, EchoStar’s main rival -- is insisting that the scope of the injunction should include all four networks. But EchoStar claimed in the court filing that because 95% of network affiliates have settled, any injunction should be narrow, applying just to the delivery of Fox programming in the 25 markets where Fox owns TV stations.

EchoStar is in legal trouble after court rulings found that the direct-broadcast satellite company sold distant network signals to hundreds of thousands of ineligible customers. The sudden cutoff of popular network programming has some on Capitol Hill worried. Senate Commerce Committee chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) is trying to pass legislation that would avoid a massive cutoff.

EchoStar told the court it would need at least four months to help consumers find alternative means of receiving network programming, including purchase of a local-TV-signal package in the 165 markets where that option is available.

The company added that another option for cutoff subscribers was an “off-air antenna,” but that seemed a strange rationale for extra time because the distant network option was created by Congress to serve viewers for whom off-air antennas were useless.

Lastly, EchoStar said that without a reasonable transition period, it feared that 10 company-owned-and-operated call centers would become “clogged,” upsetting existing and potential customers seeking personal service.
 
Glad to hear E* is willing to assist with an off-air antenna. I'm gonna call them and get in line first as they will probably need a little extra time to engineer, construct and install the 300 foot tower needed for me to recieve anything close to a decent signal to recieve my "local" affliates.
 
I was just about to post that, you beat me to it :)

Looks like they are just delaying something... Either they are just putting off the inevitable, or they have something up their sleeves.

Sure they can help out the people that are getting the signal illegally..

But if everyone is legal (as they say) then an off air antenna or local package would do nothing, because DNS is for people who CAN NOT get locals via antenna, or they DO NOT have the channel locally (no NBC here and FOX is now DTV only)

That filing sounds awful fishy....
 
Ok some comentary from Scott on this...

If your a supporting pub member (thank you) you know I posted a rumor that if Dish is forced to remove DNS service then from what I have heard is they plan on offerering 100% of the DMA's as LIL's.

How do they plan on fitting them in? Simple solution is to put them at 105 which would bring back the SuperDISH.

120 days after the ruling would give them plenty of time to get this done since one would think that the wheels are already in motion to get this done.

Technically after 120 days even if they were allowed to keep the DNS service they could offer 100% LIL coverage.

That's my 2 cents.
 
But what will happen to those of us who's DMAs do not have all four networks, and therefore have waivers for the remaining networks? Example: Lafayette, IN (47909) has only a CBS affiliate, and is nearly 60 miles from Indianapolis broadcast towers. Indy ABC, NBC, and FOX issue waivers for those who cannot receive it.

So, if they uplink the one channel, CBS, that lafayette has, what will the rest of us do? I don't need our local CBS affiliate on DISH, because its a high power station less than 5 miles from anywhere in Lafayette. You can pick it up with a paperclip.
 
It's always been bantered about that E* has already 95% coverage. And for whatever reason, it has taken them forever and a day to finish off the remaining 5%. Why E* has not addressed this issue is beyond me. Why E* is willing to pay 100 million smackers in buy-off dollars instead of just finishing off the remaining 5% is money mystery to me as well. 100 million goes a real long way in finishing off the remaining unserved DMA's.
 
minnow said:
It's always been bantered about that E* has already 95% coverage. And for whatever reason, it has taken them forever and a day to finish off the remaining 5%. Why E* has not addressed this issue is beyond me. Why E* is willing to pay 100 million smackers in buy-off dollars instead of just finishing off the remaining 5% is money mystery to me as well. 100 million goes a real long way in finishing off the remaining unserved DMA's.

No kidding, especially when they have 105 which people in the lower DMA's would be more than happy to use, in order to have locals. Locals on one satellite are better than no locals at all...
 
Well, many of the remaining Markets would not be served with all 4 or 5 maybe 6 networks plus PBS. Getting signals back from those small markets may not be an easy task if fiber is not there yet. Hopefully, there will be some SV available for them.
 
What consititutes Significantly Viewed? In Lafayette, IN, all our cable systems pull locals from Indianapolis with no problem, and even offer them in HD to our little town. Is this something DISH cannot or will not do?
 
It would be wise for them Just to uplink the remaining local markets, use the sigficantly veiwed stations for incomplete markets, and they can come out of this looking like a winner,imagine the press they could recieve for being the only tv provider offering locals in 100% of the us markets..

BTW how would a 105 superdish work with customers with the Dish 1000 for hd?Or would they have the room or consider the 118.7 location for some markets?
 
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mecro said:
What consititutes Significantly Viewed? In Lafayette, IN, all our cable systems pull locals from Indianapolis with no problem, and even offer them in HD to our little town. Is this something DISH cannot or will not do?

Put it in the "cannot" column. Cable rules and satellite are not equal. Cable pays zero dollars for these channels and is forced to carry them. Satellite can only get them by paying for them AND they have to use different maps which ignore most "significantly viewed" maps that the cable guys get to use (my area has both Philly and NYC locals but E* is prohibited from offering Philly)
 
Of course, I would much prefer to keep the distants that I have. With both East and West feeds in combination with the much more professional newscast as compared to our podunk offierings(The news anchors are the reporters and operate the cameras from tripods - strictly high school AV here !). However given the choice of the local podunk affliates or none whatsoever, it makes the choice a no-brainer.
Who knows, I'm still holding out hope that the court will accept the settlement and all we will lose is FOX. And Fox will be the big loser here with 800,000 less households getting them via E*.
 
well, that's just not fair! I currently have no ability to get our local cable system (in house apartment cable) and now there's no chance on getting locals (legally) over any DBS system? Sounds like the government is making my life more difficult again...
 
It's not about YOU, it's about the NAB. Unless a bunch of people like you can convince your congresspeople to make a big enough stink to change the law. It sounds like Charlie is adjusting to the ruling which he is being forced to implement. It is up to you now....
 
That's all well and good Bob, but even if Congress did decide to do something about this, it would months - maybe years before this was addressed. By that time, all of us that are being affected by this will have made other provisions - either leaving E* and returning to cable or going over to Direct which can still offer DNS to those of us that are truly qualified to get them. The congressional remedy may come at some future time, but it will be too late to make any difference.
 
mecro said:
What consititutes Significantly Viewed? In Lafayette, IN, all our cable systems pull locals from Indianapolis with no problem, and even offer them in HD to our little town. Is this something DISH cannot or will not do?

The rules for SV between cable and DBS are vastly different. There's a PDF that shows the allowed SV's for DBS. It's on the FCC site. I did a quick search and couldn't find it just now. I'll look a little later to see if I can dig it out. That should answer your questions.
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
Ok some comentary from Scott on this...

If your a supporting pub member (thank you) you know I posted a rumor that if Dish is forced to remove DNS service then from what I have heard is they plan on offerering 100% of the DMA's as LIL's.

It will be amazing to note what Charlie can do when he puts his mind to it (or is under the legal gun).

Scott Greczkowski said:
How do they plan on fitting them in? Simple solution is to put them at 105 which would bring back the SuperDISH.

I wondered why my Dish 500 dashed into a phone booth with red and blue tights and a cape!

Scott Greczkowski said:
120 days after the ruling would give them plenty of time to get this done since one would think that the wheels are already in motion to get this done.

You can bet if such a delay were granted the 120 would slip to 150 then 180 and look, Congress is back in session. Better hold off and let them get involved!

Scott Greczkowski said:
Technically after 120 days even if they were allowed to keep the DNS service they could offer 100% LIL coverage.

Yeah, but you can bet that the folks in Alpena will be complaining that the locals just aren't sophisticated enough and that they need NY or LA to live a life of religious fufillment.

Scott Greczkowski said:
That's my 2 cents.

Worth more than that. At least you didn't say .02 cents! [Pet Peeve #232] I was in a bakery one time that had a sign for some kind of roll - .99 cents each. I put a dollar on the counter and said I'd take 100, keep the change.
 

622 only one OTA tuner?

Afternoon signal loss

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