Echostar 15 launch update

[whatchel1]

didn't take full time

I believe it really took something like 51 or 52 days for E14. But they had to do testing in one location then move to the final location. They then had to transfer to it after it got there. E 15 will test in it's final location so figure it will take it even less time.

 

[Juan]

Why does it take D* 6 months to test and only 60 days for e*?

 

[mike123abc]

Why does it take D* 6 months to test and only 60 days for e*?

The DIRECTV satellite technology is a lot more complicated. It is a lot of small beams that need to all be tested. E15 does not have spot beams, so a lot less to test.

 

[whatchel1]

True in this case

The DIRECTV satellite technology is a lot more complicated. It is a lot of small beams that need to all be tested. E15 does not have spot beams, so a lot less to test.

This is true in this case but not always. I believe that the D* sat you are talking about here was the 1st or one of the 1st that had the Ka as well as the Ku DBS tps. So it took them longer to do all the test they wanted to find out how well it covered the areas it was supposed to.

 

[harshness]

In general, the latest big Boeing satellites seem to take much longer to achieve orbital position (in addition to taking much longer to build). I'm expecting that we'll see confirmation of this after D14, an SS/L 1300, is launched in 2012.

 

[HDRoberts]

In general, the latest big Boeing satellites seem to take much longer to achieve orbital position (in addition to taking much longer to build). I'm expecting that we'll see confirmation of this after D14, an SS/L 1300, is launched in 2012.

That is the case. SS/L 1300 sats have an axullary engine that can get them to stable GEO orbit in under a week. Boeing sats have to use much less powerful stationkeeping thrusters, which takes several weeks.

For example, D12. A poster at DBSTalk keeps a record of TLEs. It shows that Boeing did not abe the sat stable at 76W until Feb when the sat was launched at the end of Dec.

070 02-11 14:12 35,676 x [B][COLOR=red]35,896[/COLOR][/B] 220 +25.23H 44.58D 76.04°W 0.00°N 0.12°
069 02-10 12:58 35,676 x 35,826 150 + 0.00H 43.53D 75.90°W 0.03°S 0.14°
068 02-10 12:58 35,676 x [B][COLOR=red]35,826[/COLOR][/B] 150 + 9.76H 43.53D 75.90°W 0.03°S 0.13°
067 02-10 03:13 35,677 x 35,898 221 +14.91H 43.12D 76.12°W 0.03°S 0.12°
066 02-09 12:18 35,678 x 35,897 219 + 0.00H 42.50D 75.97°W 0.05°S 0.12°
065 02-09 12:18 35,678 x 35,897 219 + 5.90H 42.50D 75.97°W 0.05°S 0.12°
064 02-09 06:24 [B][COLOR=red]35,676[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]35,898[/COLOR][/B] 222 +20.28H 42.25D 75.90°W 0.09°S 0.12°
063 02-08 10:07 [B][COLOR=red]34,981[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,610[/COLOR][/B] 1,629 + 6.07H 41.41D 75.81°W 0.15°S 0.17°
062 02-08 04:03 [B][COLOR=red]35,584[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,081[/COLOR][/B] 497 +20.27H 41.15D 76.12°W 0.04°S 0.13°
061 02-07 07:47 [B][COLOR=red]35,484[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,200[/COLOR][/B] 716 + 2.07H 40.31D 75.22°W 0.11°S 0.13°
060 02-07 05:42 [B][COLOR=red]35,384[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,206[/COLOR][/B] 822 +14.30H 40.22D 75.18°W 0.08°S 0.10°
059 02-06 15:25 [B][COLOR=red]35,351[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,201[/COLOR][/B] 850 +10.90H 39.63D 75.84°W 0.03°N 0.12°
058 02-06 04:31 [B][COLOR=red]35,344[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,351[/COLOR][/B] 1,007 +24.39H 39.17D 75.23°W 0.06°S 0.12°
057 02-05 04:07 [B][COLOR=red]35,183[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,431[/COLOR][/B] 1,248 + 0.00H 38.16D 74.98°W 0.05°S 0.12°
056 02-05 04:07 [B][COLOR=red]35,030[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,564[/COLOR][/B] 1,534 +26.38H 38.16D 75.05°W 0.09°S 0.18°
055 02-04 01:45 [B][COLOR=red]35,004[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,635[/COLOR][/B] 1,631 +22.01H 37.06D 75.92°W 0.02°N 0.14°
054 02/03 03:44 [B][COLOR=red]34,739[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,886[/COLOR][/B] 2,147 +18.05H 36.14D 74.53°W 0.04°S 0.11°
053 02/02 09:41 [B][COLOR=red]34,715[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,952[/COLOR][/B] 2,237 + 3.44H 35.39D 71.98°W 0.09°S 0.13°
052 02/02 06:14 [B][COLOR=red]34,744[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,903[/COLOR][/B] 2,159 + 6.25H 35.24D 72.60°W 0.10°S 0.13°
051 02/02 00:00 [B][COLOR=red]34,708[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]36,952[/COLOR][/B] 2,244 +21.58H 34.98D 76.89°W 0.07°N 0.13°
050 02/01 02:25 [B][COLOR=red]34,450[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,155[/COLOR][/B] 2,705 + 9.23H 34.09D 75.14°W 0.00°N 0.13°
049 01/31 17:11 34,415 x 37,130 2,715 +24.22H 33.70D 76.08°W 0.07°N 0.16°
048 01/30 16:58 34,419 x 37,149 2,730 +10.15H 32.69D 76.00°W 0.06°N 0.12°
047 01/30 06:49 [B][COLOR=red]34,409[/COLOR][/B] x 37,150 2,741 +16.34H 32.27D 71.19°W 0.11°S 0.14°
046 01/29 14:29 [B][COLOR=red]34,350[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,146[/COLOR][/B] 2,796 +31.55H 31.59D 73.72°W 0.00°N 0.15°
045 01/28 06:56 [B][COLOR=red]34,196[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,445[/COLOR][/B] 3,249 +18.75H 30.27D 70.88°W 0.12°S 0.15°
043 01/27 12:11 [B][COLOR=red]33,948[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,410[/COLOR][/B] 3,462 + .19H 29.49D 71.11°W 0.09°S 0.15°
042 01/27 12:00 34,036 x [B][COLOR=red]37,440[/COLOR][/B] 3,404 + 7.50H 29.48D 70.93°W 0.10°S 0.15°
041 01/27 04:30 [B][COLOR=red]34,058[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,600[/COLOR][/B] 3,542 +17.92H 29.17D 72.98°W 0.06°S 0.15°
040 01/26 10:35 [B][COLOR=red]33,894[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,744[/COLOR][/B] 3,850 + 4.12H 28.43D 69.70°W 0.12°S 0.16°
039 01/26 06:27 [B][COLOR=red]33,920[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]37,699[/COLOR][/B] 3,779 +25.17H 28.25D 70.58°W 0.13°S 0.17°
038 01/25 05:17 [B][COLOR=red]33,366[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,229[/COLOR][/B] 4,863 +23.14H 27.20D 71.78°W 0.05°S 0.11°
037 01/24 06:08 [B][COLOR=red]33,259[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,365[/COLOR][/B] 5,106 +64.77H 26.24D 70.45°W 0.08°S 0.13°
036 01/21 13:22 [B][COLOR=red]33,114[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,484[/COLOR][/B] 5,370 +20.24H 23.54D 70.48°W 0.05°S 0.20°
035 01/20 17:08 [B][COLOR=red]33,008[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,510[/COLOR][/B] 5,502 +54.17H 22.70D 76.69°W 0.09°N 0.20°
034 01/18 10:58 [B][COLOR=red]32,727[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,854[/COLOR][/B] 6,127 + 0.00H 20.44D 66.92°W 0.22°S 0.27°
033 01/18 10:58 32,665 x 38,902 6,237 +43.11H 20.44D 66.56°W 0.13°S 0.18°
032 01/16 15:51 32,652 x 38,907 6,255 +12.10H 18.65D 74.24°W 0.01°N 0.18°
031 01/16 03:45 32,651 x 38,908 6,257 +11.03H 18.14D 75.10°W 0.00°S 0.18°
030 01/15 16:43 [B][COLOR=red]32,651[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,908[/COLOR][/B] 6,257 +53.65H 17.68D 75.97°W 0.04°N 0.18°
029 01/13 11:04 31,494 x 38,917 7,423 +11.08H 15.45D 66.45°W 0.07°N 0.08°
028 01/13 00:00 [B][COLOR=red]31,495[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]38,915[/COLOR][/B] 7,420 + 8.06H 14.98D 89.56°W 0.07°S 0.07°
027 01/12 15:56 [B][COLOR=red]30,534[/COLOR][/B] x 41,037 10,503 +46.88H 14.65D 75.09°W 0.02°S 0.17°
026 01/10 17:03 [B][COLOR=red]29,492[/COLOR][/B] x 41,037 11,545 +44.81H 12.70D 88.75°W 0.02°S [B][COLOR=red]0.11°[/COLOR][/B]
025 01/08 20:14 [B][COLOR=red]27,381[/COLOR][/B] x 41,036 13,655 + 3.37H 10.83D 130.20°W 0.08°S [B][COLOR=red]0.75°[/COLOR][/B]
024 01/08 16:52 20,336 x 41,007 20,671 + 3.02H 10.69D 116.75°W 1.96°N 3.56°
022 01/08 13:51 20,337 x 41,007 20,670 + 7.27H 10.56D 116.08°W 3.49°N 3.56°
021 01/08 06:34 20,336 x 41,007 20,671 +13.54H 10.26D 155.89°E 3.55°N 3.56°
020 01/07 17:02 20,336 x 41,005 20,669 +31.39H 9.69D 174.13°E 3.50°N 3.55°
019 01/06 09:38 [B][COLOR=red]20,536[/COLOR][/B] x 41,078 20,542 + 4.73H 8.39D 34.20°E 0.38°N [B][COLOR=red]3.45°[/COLOR][/B]
018 01/06 04:54 11,698 x 41,011 29,313 +13.52H 8.19D 58.34°E 6.38°N 9.70°
016 01/05 15:23 11,698 x 41,012 29,314 + 8.57H 7.63D 66.91°W 1.60°N 9.70°
015 01/05 06:48 [B][COLOR=red]11,698[/COLOR][/B] x [B][COLOR=red]41,011[/COLOR][/B] 29,313 +71.94H 7.27D 173.68°E 9.53°S [B][COLOR=red]9.70°[/COLOR][/B]
013 01/02 06:52 5,093 x 38,354 33,261 +26.04H 4.27D 106.35°W 0.01°S 20.52°
012 01/01 04:49 5,097 x 38,352 33,255 + 7.42H 3.19D 74.48°W 0.01°S 20.52°
011 12/31 21:24 5,096 x 38,353 33,257 + 4.14H 2.88D 150.22°E 2.76°N 20.52°
009 12/31 17:16 5,097 x [B][COLOR=red]38,363[/COLOR][/B] 33,266 + 1.47H 2.70D 147.75°E 19.10°N 20.52°
007 12/31 15:48 5,090 x 35,736 30,646 +24.25H 2.64D 121.69°E 0.06°N 20.59°
005 12/30 15:33 5,089 x 35,740 30,651 + .00H 1.63D 126.34°E 0.02°N 20.59°
006 12/30 15:33 5,088 x 35,741 30,653 +21.06H 1.63D 126.28°E 0.00°S 20.59°
004 12/29 18:30 5,087 x 35,793 30,706 + .17H .76D 127.27°W 10.81°N 20.55°
003 12/29 18:19 5,084 x 35,795 30,711 + .80H .75D 127.13°W 11.56°N 20.57°
002 12/29 17:32 5,087 x 35,793 30,706 + 2.22H .72D 128.96°W 15.32°N 20.58°
005 12/29 15:18 [B][COLOR=red]5,090[/COLOR][/B] x 35,740 30,650 +11.34H .62D 131.11°E 0.01°S [B][COLOR=red]20.58°[/COLOR][/B]
001 12/29 03:58 424 x 35,759 35,335 + 3.61H .15D 59.29°W 1.05°S 45.52

 

[HDRoberts]

Don't confuse the FCC filing with the date certain that Charlie offered.This is the same kind of silliness that has been going on over in D* land regarding the "restorative procedure". They seem to be celebrating channels being transferred back and forth. In terms of net programming, it represents very little net change until it is all done.

Charlie could just be hedging his bets, or just not know. Heck, didn't he say the now discontinued family pack was available in that chat?

As for the transfer, I was just pointing out a fact. We needn't celebrate such a transfer. But it will take time to do a do-si-do with the TPs.

 

[Jim S.]

OK, someone explain this to me please: if E15 has no spotbeams, why are they moving national HD off of 61.5? Wouldn't they want to put locals on spotbeams where possible?

 

[goaliebob99]

Because Trandponders are failing on Echo 3.... Cant trasmit something that doesnt return...

 

[digiblur]

OK, someone explain this to me please: if E15 has no spotbeams, why are they moving national HD off of 61.5? Wouldn't they want to put locals on spotbeams where possible?

E15 will compliment E12, like E10 and E11 do at 110. E12 will go into spot only mode instead of the hybrid mode of conus/spots. This should allow them to use more spotbeams and possibly more power on E12. But with the pick up in extra transponders not in use at 61.5 it seems like they don't really need to move the HD. They might have some future plans for 61.5 CONUS that we don't see yet...more internationals for PR?

 

[Jim S.]

Thanks, I didn't know that E12 was going to be staying. Everybody's talking like it's total junk, so I figured they'd retire it. What happens if they keep it running and it keeps failing then?

 

[whatchel1]

E 3

Thanks, I didn't know that E12 was going to be staying. Everybody's talking like it's total junk, so I figured they'd retire it. What happens if they keep it running and it keeps failing then?

E 3 is the one that is junk not E 12.

 

[JohnH]

The more empty Tps, the fsster the testing. Also, if they want to completely test E15 they will need to temporarily offload each spot Tp. This would require aeveral ConUS Tps per Spot Tp,

 

[HDRoberts]

E 3 is the one that is junk not E 12.

Well, E12 isn't in the best shape, either, although it is in better shape than E3. It has lost a lot of solar cells, and thus a lot of power. Plus, it's spot beams are poorly designed. Dish's last 10-K filing indicated a new satellite is in the works for 61.5 that will most likely replace E12: Echostar 16.

 

[Juan]

Is E12 The Voom bird?

 

[JohnH]

Yes, it is the renamed Rainbow 1.

 

[rocatman]

OK, someone explain this to me please: if E15 has no spotbeams, why are they moving national HD off of 61.5? Wouldn't they want to put locals on spotbeams where possible?

Dish is moving national HD off of 61.5 W to Nimiq 5 at 72.7 W. Nimiq 5 is a CONUS only satelllite and Dish is using or has access to only 21 of 32 TPs with a number of these still leased to DirecTV. By the end of 2011, Dish will have use of all 32 TPs there. By the end of 2011 or more likely early 2012, Dish will be launching the E-16 satellite which undoubtly is a massive spotbeam satellite. Once E-15 is launched and operational later this year, the 9 TPs they currently aren't using should be available. As noted in other posts, Dish should be able to offload any CONUS TPs provided by E-12 to E-15 and perhaps utilize more of the E-12 spotbeams for locals. Dish could use some of the CONUS TPs provided by E-15 for locals that would be switched to E-16 once its launched. They also could add back international programming so all of it would be available for both the Western Arc and Eastern Arc.

The fact that there are 9 TPs available at 61.5 W should reduce the testing time of E-15. In regards to testing the E-15 TPs currently being use in spotbeam mode by E-12, I believe all the spots that Dish is using off of E-12 except for spot 8 (Charleston) can use either TP 19 or 21. Both of these TPs are currently being used in CONUS mode so this should eliminate the need to shutdown most locals to fully test E-15.

 

[digiblur]

Well, E12 isn't in the best shape, either, although it is in better shape than E3. It has lost a lot of solar cells, and thus a lot of power. Plus, it's spot beams are poorly designed. Dish's last 10-K filing indicated a new satellite is in the works for 61.5 that will most likely replace E12: Echostar 16.

They'll never use it as full power though as the west coast beams are not needed with all the spots E14, E10, and Ciel-2 provide to those areas.

 

[nelson61]

Breeze-M Tanking at Baikonur

:: 23.06.2010


Roscosmos experts started tanking of the Breeze-M upper stage high pressure tanks today. The upper stage will serve for orbiting Echostar-15 spacecraft slated for launch by Proton-M. The upper stage arrived to the filling station from site 92?-50 last night.

Breeze-M tanking is featured by special approach which covers two stages. High pressure tanks are filled in site 31, and low pressure tanks are filled in the integrated LV configuration.

Once the operation is over, in about two days, the upper stage will be returned to the clean room for final standalone electrical testing and integration with the spacecraft simulator.

US experts continue Echostar filling in the next room. The oxidizer has been loaded into the spacecraft propulsion already, the fuel is still to be filled in.

Roscosmos and Khrunichev Space Center PAO

 

[Fitzie]

nelson61, thanks for the nice summary.

Best regards,
Fitzie