Easy way to get AC3 audio

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Blindowl1234

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My question is from what I read is that PBS and some others use AC3 audio. What's the easiest way to decode it that doesn't cost a lot more money? I have numerous pieces of audio equipment and nothing it appears, has dolby decoding or the correct inputs. My home theater 5.1 system bought last year, doesn't have anything other than the normal audio/video inputs. Don't really want to buy a new home theather system or deal with a pc card. Any ideas? Thanks! Blind:)
 
Did you check your home theater closely? There is usually a "coaxial" input on most..or the fiber optic cable-connector called an 'spdif'. Some have both. Mine (Yamaha) has both but it also has so many other inputs and outputs you have to look close to see them!
 
This gave me an idea for an interesting project. Since there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a standalone AC-3 decoder, it might be nice to build one. The Texas Instruments PCM1720E IC can handle both AC-3 and MPEG-2 and only costs $4.90, which could make the entire system less than $20. I'm trying to find a schematic for this, but if I can't I might try to just throw something together and see how it turns out. With all the trouble people have with AC-3 it makes you wonder why they even bother with it at all-is there even such a thing as a receiver that directly supports AC-3 rendering?



(PS: Some DVD recorders have coaxial AC-3 in-just turn it on and plug the recorder's audio-out into the stereo/tv, etc...)
 
AudioFox, I picked up the SonicVoom decoder and headphones from ebay for under $10.
Just patched the headphone output straight to a set of powered PC speakers.
Bestest, cheapest method I've found...
 
Thanks to all for the ideas...I too can't believe there isn't a stand alone box...I'll check the sonic voom etc....The Home theatre system doesn't have much as far as inputs go. Just the standard stuff. I got the manual out on the tv bought 6 months ago. Sanyo DP32648. It has digital audio out...no good with that. Also it says under HDMI in the manual...an all digital AV interface that accepts uncompressed video....The signal can also include dolby digital or PCM audio when available. Is it possible it would support AC3? if so I'd have to have a Spdif to hdmi cable...Don't think this is possible.....oh well I'll look into the sonic voom. Thanks! again to all for the info. Blind:)
 
I have used the SomicVoom and its the best way to go if you do now want to by a new sound system.
 
I looked that Sanyo DP32648 up on google>It's a TV, not a home theater receiver. I thought you had a surround sound/home theater system there....
 
Also it says under HDMI in the manual...an all digital AV interface that accepts uncompressed video....The signal can also include dolby digital or PCM audio when available. Is it possible it would support AC3?
Yes. HDMI can carry Pic and Sound. The idea is that you use HDMI cables from the Devices to the TV. Then, if you wanted, you could run an Optical Cable from the TV to a Home Theater for sound. The sound would change automatically when the TV input is changed.
Otherwise, you would just get Stereo Sound out of the TV, even from Dolby / AC3.
 
I looked that Sanyo DP32648 up on google>It's a TV, not a home theater receiver. I thought you had a surround sound/home theater system there....

I think he does but he abandoned the home theater and started looking at the inputs on the TV instead.

The TV is very unlikely to have a digital audio input.

Sounds like a home theater in a box type system which doesn't include digital audio inputs because it has the DVD player built in thus has no need for digital in for most folks. Is this correct Blindowl?
If this is indeed the case you could certainly get the sonic voom headphones as spoken about earlier in the thread and connect from them to one of the aux audio inputs on your home theater system. You may need an adapter as I'm not sure what format they have for output.........perhaps an 1/8" stereo plug, in which case you'd get a 1/8" to stereo RCA adapter from Radio Shack or Wally World etc.
 
I use a Sound Blaster Extigy. It's an external sound-card (USB) that doesn't need to be hooked up to a computer if you just want to use it as an AC-3 decoder. Sometimes they're cheaper than the Sonic Voom on ebay.

It has optical and coaxial digital in. It has line in, headphone out, mic in. For line-level out it has three 1/8" jacks for Left/Right, Center/SW, Rear-right/Rear-left. It also has optical out.

Oh yeah, it has a remote too.
 
Thanks! to all. Sorry I'm at work and don't have all the info....the home theater is an RCA with the Dvd player in it....theater in a box so to speak. I'll go with the sonic voom...seems easiest and cheapest way. I went thru something similar with a previous all in one system to another tv we had...Digital coaxial...toslink and I got tired of messing with it...it went back to the store in short order! Sonic Voom it is. Thanks Blind:)
 
As usual, I'm chiming in comments after the thread is done.
First, I agree that the Sonic Voom is the simplest and cheapest way to deal with the AC3 channels if you don't have an audio system that does it.
Some people complain that by using the Sonic Voom that you lose dialog that often is found in the center channel. Occasionally, I've run into programs that have the dialog volume low compared to background noise, but it's usually not a big problem.
Besides having 2 Sonic Vooms, I also have 2 Soundblaster Extigys, which are external sound cards that don't need to be connected to a computer. I used the Extigys for years for AC3, and they worked fine, except that every time there was a power outage, the volume would get turned down to zero. The Extigys, however cost considerably more than the Sonic Vooms, so although the Extigys are more capable with their sound card capabilities, the Sonic Voom wins with respect to simplicity and cost if AC3 decoding is all you want.
My big confusion though is what's the deal with the darn Fortec Mercury SPDIF output and the Extigy? Ie I have Fortec Lifetime and Ultra receivers, and the AC3 works fine through the Extigy, however the Fortec Mercury just does not work with the Extigy. It works fine with the Sonic Voom, however. If I look at the AC3 signal with a scope, comparing the Ultra to the Mercury, I see very little difference, maybe some small level shift, but nothing significant. And the NON-AC3 digital does work fine. There is something weird going on with the Mercury AC3 output. Fortec says that there is no processing and that there should be no difference. Anyway, I don't use the Mercury much anymore, so it isn't a big deal, but in case anyone uses a Mercury and is considering using an Extigy with it, there is a good chance that it won't work.
 
I highly recommend the older Technics SH AC300 stand-alone surround sound processor with line outputs. It works great for this purpose. You might see one going cheap on eBay once in a while. I found mine at a pawnshop.
 
The Extigys, however cost considerably more than the Sonic Vooms, so although the Extigys are more capable with their sound card capabilities, the Sonic Voom wins with respect to simplicity and cost if AC3 decoding is all you want.

It's good to know someone else out there is using an Extigy. I got mine new years ago from work. It lived for a long time in a box. When I ran into my AC-3 deficiency, I recalled it having an optical input and gave it a try. This is the cheapest way to get AC3 audio. ;)

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that I think "considerably more" isn't always correct; or at least not lately. Looking at eBay right now and comparing prices, I see several that could go for the same price as a sonic voom. I've been looking to buy a SonicVoom because people keep saying they get them for $10, although I never see them that low. Often Extigys go for under $30, and I see them sell for under $25. In the last two months I haven's seen a Sonic Voom sell for under $18.

Regarding the dialogue on the center channel, this is good to know. Is there a standard for 5.1 and 1/8" jacks? Is the center channel the tip, or is the SW the tip?
 
off topic: DTS

Since this thread has run its course, and provided all the answers the OP asked for, I hope it's not a problem to ask a somewhat off-topic question.

I've been fighting with some A/V hardware and a DVD I made, in an effort to play it.
The DVD has only a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_%28sound_system%29"]DTS (sound system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:DTS_logo.svg" class="image" title="DTS logo"><img alt="DTS logo" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/DTS_logo.svg/200px-DTS_logo.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/3/3d/DTS_logo.svg/200px-DTS_logo.svg.png[/ame] sound track.
It'll play on my computers, but I'm trying to view it on my HD TV set using stand alone DVD players.

So, my only question is: does either of the two mentioned AC3 decoders happen to also decode DTS?
 
To the DTS question...

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So, my only question is: does either of the two mentioned AC3 decoders happen to also decode DTS?

When I hooked them up (both by optical and RCA) to my DVD players (one a Daewoo DVD-P480 and the other a Panasonic DVD-S53 upscaler) and set the audio to DTS on the DVD's I tried I kept on getting sound through the included headphones... Soo maybe; I think they do.
 
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