diseqc 1.2, how many steps per degree

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If I want to use diseqc 1.2 to move to a satellite that's out of USALS range, how many steps are there per degree if I want to start from the last position that USALS will go to? The reason I'm asking is because I'm not 100% sure I have LOS to the satellite, so even if I have a known active transponder programmed in I could be pushing the move button all day and not know whether I've reached it for sure.

My receiver is an Openbox S9 (actually a Solomend), and my motor is a Powertech DG-280.
 
Since you are at the extremes of your arc, I'd guess about 2 steps per degree. There are more steps per degree in the center of the arc. At the extemes, the sats "appear " to be closer together, because of the extreme angle.
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if its out of USALS range that normally means it is out of your motors range/arc capability....

"steps" vary from one receiver to the next....some receivers even let you select a "step" size from 1-5....
 
It is possible to calculate it by using the count between the last two known positions and divide by number of degrees between those two sats. This will vary as you go across the arc, but will get you close enough to find the next sat.
 
On a former setup - sg2100 motor and Fortec Mercury II receiver, which for some reason would not move the motor except on the higher voltage polarity, it was 16 clicks to move from 74W to 72W. That is near center for me, but I seem to recall it was similar at the western end - 123 to 125. YMMV.
 
not necessarily. My SG2100 stops at 34.5 or so with USALS yet I can diseqc 1.2 over to 30W no issues

This is precisely what I have to do from my site location with my SG2100 / DG-380 motors and all my receivers. With a west longitude of 94.6° for my site, I find that USALS will only take me to 36.9°W (96.4° - 59.5°).

There is no satellite at this position (36.9°W) that I can test, but I know that this is the limitation as I entered fictitious satellites and tried to command the motor to drive to them using USALS.
When the sat orbital was equal to or greater than 59.5° away in either direction, the motor would not move to it. It would "click" the relays and might make one step, but that is all. If I switch to DiSEqC 1.2, I can drive to roughly 28.5°W (~68.0° from my site longitude).

I am just adding the information above to confirm what Iceberg has found and to cite the limitation of USALS vs DiSEqC 1.2 positioning.

Mikey11 hit on the very subject that needs to be addressed. The step size (i.e. steps per degree) may be unique to each receiver and some receivers allow variable step increments. Since the mfg does not specify this in any manual, you would have to determine this by testing your own system equipment. You would need to select two adjacent sats and count the steps to move from one sat to the other and then divide that out to determine steps per degree. This is more difficult than it sounds, as there is no really good marker to judge where to start and end.

Then, as Brent pointed out, the steps / degree may appear to change depending upon what area of the arc you are aiming at. I think that the ratio is the same as far as the motor step count goes, but it is deceiving because the angular attack for the satellites on the extreme ends of the arc vs those near the zenith will be unique.

My personal recommendation is to use a receiver (STB) with a very quick responding and sensitive tuner to locate the sat or else a very good external meter.

Personal example for me was setting up Hispasat 30°W with my AZBox. The AZBox tuner and processing system was very slow to respond and I had little patience for this. So, I connected my Coolsat 5K to the Loop Out of the AZBox and monitored the Cuba MUX TP on Hispasat with the Coolsat while I positioned the motor using the AZBox and DiSEqC 1.2 (also set to the same TP) until I peaked the signal quality. Then I stored that position using the AZBox. This strategy works great!

Notice that even as an owner of a high priced AZBox, I still use my handy - dandy - trustworthy Coolsat 5K! LOL! It's my little buddy! :)

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On a former setup - sg2100 motor and Fortec Mercury II receiver, which for some reason would not move the motor except on the higher voltage polarity, it was 16 clicks to move from 74W to 72W. That is near center for me, but I seem to recall it was similar at the western end - 123 to 125. YMMV.

This is a very good thread. I didn't know it could take 16 clicks to move only 2 degrees. With my setup primestar 84E SG2100 I have to use usals then 1.2 to get peak quality.
 
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