Central London Bombed
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I have been watching this since about 6 am. To me it appears to be a small cordinated attack.
It is amazing a small group of what appears to be less then 10 people can unleash on the world.
It is amazing a small group of what appears to be less then 10 people can unleash on the world.
Scott Greczkowski said:
im not at home so i cant see the news channels.... only read headlines... CNN says its a terrorist attack as well....
The echoes of this will stretch far beyond today, UK is an incredibly easy place to get into compared to here and the unrest after 9/11 will reach boiling point.
The scum who did this are damn cowards.
The scum who did this are damn cowards.
These scumbags must be dealt with swiftly and forcefully - it is the only way to deal with this problem!
I'll say this much because I do work for the government I do know firsthand that we are less secure than before (in many other areas besides airports that infact are easier to get into) and we know have more terrorist groups forming in both Afganistan and Iraq. Sadly to say this attact is the start of more to come. I would gladly eat crow on this but I don't believe it to be so and sadly I believe we will have another attack in the US before the Bush term runs out. I don't wish this on people nor do I want an attack but knowing what I know I can see it coming in the future.
Chado said:
No things can stay the same if people would have their concerns in the right order. When people care more about banning gay marriage than health care we have a problem and a big one. That disconnect doesn't just end with the above example but stems out deeper into things like war and protection. Right now the USA has a big problem because people are believing everything they hear without questioning anything. They could be given four different stories to the same event and not even notice this.
What London is seeing today and what we might very well see in the future is all being caused by Bush's pre-emptive war that has never been done in the United States history. I supported Bush going into Afganistan but I don't support him going into IRAQ. People still believe and fight with me today that the people involved in the trade center attacks are from IRAQ. Now yes Suddam is a very bad man but just because he was a bad man doesn't mean we should go on a pre-emptive war in Iraq while telling the american people that they did the attacks which they didn't.
I wonder if we never had an attack on us would we allow Bush to enter in a pre-emptive war in Iraq because Suddam is a bad guy and say to the people that they have WMDs and once all hell broke loose in the war we start to question the WMDs and next thing we know we believe his new story which is we want to free the people of Iraq. Again I'm all for freeing people all over the world.
At least the people in Iraq with Suddam weren't afraid to leave their houses, they had a striving middle class among many other things. Granted things weren't perfect but things are much much worse for them and will be getting worse.
It just seems like nobody in this country reads and history book because these type of events aren't new and have been done before. Because most people in this country don't study history they can't see these patterns that those of us who know history can.
The US citizens are in part responsable for everything we wen't through because some of this we allowed because of our own stupidity. Granted what I'm saying doesn't apply to all americans but it does apply to many and I know I'll get blamed and flamed for saying this but the truth hurts. Our health care problems are indeed our own fault because we actually believe that HMOs are better for us and those Harry and Loiuse ads made us believe that by voting in nationwide healthcare would limit the amount of doctors we can see when the truth is the opposite. That is another example of our own stupidity has hurt us and its our fault as people for allowing a change without questioning if it was the truth or not.
Edit...and just to make sure I'm not for or against one political party or another. I'm not for or against Bush Jr. nor any President in the USA. With that said that doesn't mean I can't be against what a President does or doesn't do. I have many things that I think Bush Jr. did well with many things I think he handled badly. The same goes for Clinton but right now Bush Jr. has done many more things that I think are very bad compared to any president in quite a while. Even Bush Sr. did more good than wrong in my views but Bush Jr. sure isn't his father that is for sure.
the sad thing is, is people want us to go after the bad guys, but then you have the same people protesting war. i call them peace pussies.
korsjs said:
I'm all for war when its need and the right thing todo. For example Vietnam was a war we shouldn't have fought. Does that make me a pussy. No it makes me an educated person who doesn't go to war for stupid reasons or to win a who's dick is bigger contest.
LonghornXP said:
Very well said Longhorn. The one thing I'd like to add is when Bush first had plans of going to Iraq he made it very clear it was to search for WMD's. I believe by the time we got there had Saddam even had WMD's in the first place he had more than enough time to move them out of the country. Now the Republicans have tried to backtrack every which way they can and say we went to Iraq for other various reasons, not the least of which was to remove a murderous dictator. The world is full of murderous dictators but I don't see us removing all of them, nor do I want to. It's not our job. I just wish Bush would have put as much effort going after Bin Laden as he did going after Hussein. The sooner Al Queda gets taken out the better.
BTW, I voted Libertarian in this last election and will continue to do so until I see a better candidate from either the Repubs or Dems.
kbohip said:
That may be true, but with WMD also came constant references to Bin Laden, 9/11, Al Queda....blah blah blah.... It was misrepresented from the start.
Chado said:
If I remember correctly the first reason Bush gave for going into Iraq was by telling the people that Iraq was involved with 9/11. The current administration is very very very good at using words and using them to bring fear to us americans. Just look at the Patriot Act and that is enough to prove how good at words they are. Freedom and Terror happen to be words used most often even when they don't apply to the war. When the republican party says they (their government) won't get involved in your business they mean that. That doesn't mean they won't get involved in your personal life because that isn't your business now is it. Do you see how they use words and when nobody questions them that is how we get umm screwed. This party has a way of getting all the religious right out their door at the mention of the word gay. This reminded me of that move called Head of State with Chris Rock. That one guy always gets that Sharon Stone fact and his quote "god bless american and nobody else". The scene at the end of the movie is what reminded me of the gay marriage issue when only the West Coast was left and they said on the news that a black president might take office and you see all kinds of white people running to vote.
To be honest I wouldn't mind Chris Rock being president because at least he wouldn't be an ahole and might actually do something that benefits the average joe. Even though I'm in the upper class I believe that I'm only as strong as the middle class is. For me I'm better off the bigger the middle class is. Right now in this country the gap between the poor and the rich is reducing at an alarming rate and this isn't good for our future.
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