Can I split this to another DISH HD Receiver???

[gislands]

So here is my question... can I use a splitter right after the white cable to make another output to hook up another Dish HD receiver? I would probably need one of those dish separators as well depending on the model receiver. I want to hook up a slave receiver that I am going to use with a Slingbox and want it to be HD. I included a picture.
Thanks,
GIslands

 

[Bobby]

No, you need a home-run from the dish to the other receiver. The separator simply allows carriage of 2 signals off of one coax.

 

[dishrich]

No, you need a home-run from the dish to the other receiver. The separator simply allows carriage of 2 signals off of one coax.

Specifically, for dual-tuner receivers ONLY...

 

[truckracer]

Why not...is a separator not anything more than a broadband splitter with DC pass on both ports?

 

[garys]

Why not...is a separator not anything more than a broadband splitter with DC pass on both ports?

Dual tuner receivers are set to receiver two different frequencies supplied on one coax run, single tuner receiver do not. You would wind up with both receivers trying to the the same frequency. (As I understand it, I may have not used the right terminology, if I'm not totally right I'm sure a better explanation should be coming).

 

[TheKrell]

Dual tuner receivers are set to receiver two different frequencies supplied on one coax run, single tuner receiver do not.

Actually, DishPro Plus technology is just DishPro (bandstacked) technology with a twist. Both use exactly the same frequencies. While the solo receivers can tell a DP switch to put the signal (both polarizations) from any satellite location onto a single cable, a dual receiver can tell a DPP switch to put the signal from any satellite and either polarization on either band independently.

 

[truckracer]

Actually, DishPro Plus technology is just DishPro (bandstacked) technology with a twist. Both use exactly the same frequencies. While the solo receivers can tell a DP switch to put the signal (both polarizations) from any satellite location onto a single cable, a dual receiver can tell a DPP switch to put the signal from any satellite and either polarization on either band independently.

Ok I see. If it was simply band stacking it would be no problem. Maybe the problem comes in when it tries to select the satellite when the problem starts.

 

[garys]

Actually, DishPro Plus technology is just DishPro (bandstacked) technology with a twist. Both use exactly the same frequencies. While the solo receivers can tell a DP switch to put the signal (both polarizations) from any satellite location onto a single cable, a dual receiver can tell a DPP switch to put the signal from any satellite and either polarization on either band independently.

Thanks for the info.

 

[dare2be]

So if I'm reading this right...I couldn't re-purpose a single line separated to a duo-receiver to separate it to two 211ks instead, because the 211ks would be expecting the same frequency, while one of the separated frequencies would be one that a 211k wouldn't expect?

I think I just confused myself typing that up. I hope I didn't confuse anyone else.

 

[3HaloODST]

Control codes are only passed to the DPP switch on one side of the separator (SAT 2.) The SAT 1 output of the separator is just a simple DP connection. Since the single-tuner receivers do not recognize DPP they do not send DPP control codes.

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[gislands]

Ok, so what about this. I have just a dedicated 129 feed coming off a separate dish. Now there is only one 129 out from that LNB. Is there a way I could split that and send it to two receiver. That one that is currently in use and another that I want to use full HD but just now gets the SD channels?

 

[3HaloODST]

Nope. One feed needed per receiver. You could use a switch or LNB IN, but still requires one feed per receiver from the switch.

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[garys]

Ok, so what about this. I have just a dedicated 129 feed coming off a separate dish. Now there is only one 129 out from that LNB. Is there a way I could split that and send it to two receiver. That one that is currently in use and another that I want to use full HD but just now gets the SD channels?

If the lnb on 129 is a DP dual lnb, you can run two lines off the lnb to feed two single tuner receivers. Running one line for two 211's will not work either as both receivers would still fight over the signal.

 

[TheKrell]

So if I'm reading this right...I couldn't re-purpose a single line separated to a duo-receiver to separate it to two 211ks instead, because the 211ks would be expecting the same frequency, while one of the separated frequencies would be one that a 211k wouldn't expect?

Not exactly. Games can be played with two DPP switch lines, with the SAT1 output of each separator going to two DP receivers such as a 211, and both SAT2 outputs going to both tuners on a DPP (dual) receiver. This configuration is known to work and reported here on SG by a very clever installer whose name escapes me at the moment. Caveat: I personally never tried it.

Control codes are only passed to the DPP switch on one side of the separator (SAT 2.) The SAT 1 output of the separator is just a simple DP connection. Since the single-tuner receivers do not recognize DPP they do not send DPP control codes.

I don't think that's quite right either. The control codes on a solo DP receiver are indeed passed through the separator, as evidenced by the trick above. Separators only have one band on each output. It's internally like a diplexer except the crossover frequency is much higher.

 

[3HaloODST]

Note that I said (or implied) DPP control codes.

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[gislands]

Yeah, it's the dish with the 110, 119, and 129 LNB. I guess my only option is to get a new dish with a dual 129 lnb out. Oh, by the way, the 110 and 119 off this aren't used. They are off other dishes. This was the only dish the guy had when he came out to install HD a few years ago.

 

[3HaloODST]

You need 110/119/129 for all western arc installations. You're telling me that your installer only hooked up 129?

You said your dish has three separate LNBs, correct? When did you get it installed? Sounds like you have the original DISH 1000. I'm sure you have a switch of some type or else you wouldn't be utilizing the separator. That would be either the DPP Twin or a DPP44.

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[gislands]

So yeah, we have a total of three receivers. Two old original SD recievers and one HD receiver. I am not sure what the make of the dish that feeds the SD is, but the only run from that 110/119/129 is the HD 129 since it was installed after the other dish that feeds just the SD from 110/119.

 

[3HaloODST]

Oh whoops. Forgot the 129 was a separate dish.


Okay, so what in getting out of this, is you have two SD receivers being fed by the Dish 500 (110/119) and then the 129-only dish 300 is feeding a single HD receiver?

If that is the case, then the installer totally screwed it up. HD receivers need the 110/119 says as well. He should've replaced the 500 with the 1000.2 or used a DPP44 at the least.

 

[gislands]

Yeah, so there is 3 receivers, so I guess 3 feeds. Now the 500 doesn't concern me really. I just want to add HD to one of the receivers that is just SD right now.