c-band dish mover help please

glover31 · Nov 20, 2014

A buddy of mine from hamondsport ny has acquired a hth motor channel-master 10 foot dish or larger. I had him order all the parts I thought were necessary to get him up and going for fta. Also had him get a ku dish.
So.. he got a v-box to move the dish with. Apparently the back of the dish mover has four wire inputs. 2 for the motor and 2 for a sensor. The motor itself only has 2. He found his old video cipher general instruments dish mover from 1996 and it has like 7 wires or more. He still has all the original wiring in his home and to the dish. What would all those extra wires be for? I thought at best we would only need 2 or 4. Im confused. I was thinking that I would just hook up the 2 wires for the motor. That maybe the vbox would just reverse polarity or something to make it go the other way. Please help me understand.

Magic Static · Nov 20, 2014

Typical usage would be, red, white, and black wires for the polarotor control; brown, green, and orange for position sensor; Heavy red and heavy white wires for motor power; plus a shield wire. The three sensor wires are used for optical sensors and just two of the wires for a reed switch. You will need to examine the dish end to see how it was wired.

Titanium · Nov 20, 2014

The actuator and motor connection will use 4 wires and the ground shield. Two heavy 12-14 guage wires for motor power, two 18-22 guage wires for the sensor and the shield (drain) wire. The controller reverses the DC current to reverse the drive direction of the actuator motor.

The remaining wires in the ribbon cable are used to control the polarity and offset skew on a feedhorn/LNB with servo. Best signal reception is possible with feedhorns using a servo to set and fine tune the polarity and skew for each satellite. An example of this type of feedhorn/LNB system is the Corotor. Controllers like the Titanium Satellite ASC1 control both the dish positioning and the polarity/skew servo. The G/V boxes only can control the dish positioning.

KE4EST · Nov 20, 2014

If he still have original Feed horn and LNB with polorotor he will need the 3 small red, black, and white for the that, if it has been replaced with a newer LNBF he will not need those wires. Like Magic stated he will need to look to see what kind of positioner he has. If magnetic just 2 wires for the sensor. Then of course 2 heavy wire for the motor.

glover31 · Nov 21, 2014

What sensor? he is telling me that there is only 2 wires on this motor. This motor is not an actuator arm. Its a heavy box style. worm insect-or style And yes it has been replaced with a new c-band lnbf. The position-er is a v-box. I'm just wondering if he would be better off with his old video cipher general instruments mover box. only it doesn't have its remote anymore.

FTA4PA · Nov 21, 2014

Do you know the make/model for the motor or could you post a pic of it to determine what your friend has?

Magic Static · Nov 21, 2014

I have a 10' Channel Master on an AJAK HTH motor. And in this thread we get into serious detail about the sensor.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/threads/10-cm-perf-on-ajak-h180.311276/

glover31 · Nov 26, 2014

ok so come to find out there is 5 wires. one being a ground. Now just have to figure out how to set the lnbf. I haven't a clue

Magic Static · Nov 27, 2014

Ouch! Just blew coffee through my nose Brian. Man you hit the funny bone there

Titanium · Nov 27, 2014

Magic Static said:
Ouch! Just blew coffee through my nose Brian. Man you hit the funny bone there

??? What did I say now ???

Magic Static · Nov 27, 2014

LOL In the OPs last post, his last sentence is " I haven't a clue" and below I read [Titanium likes this] . I just struck me really funny to read it like I did.

KE4EST · Nov 27, 2014

I was wondering the same.

KE4EST · Nov 27, 2014

oh ok

Titanium · Nov 27, 2014

I really was meaning to like the fact that his friend "found" the additional sensor wires that are necessary for the motor to work.

primestar31 · Nov 27, 2014

It's kind of like sometimes two different thread titles showing up in order under "New Posts", and they turn out to be really funny together at certain times.

glover31 · Dec 2, 2014

Ha ha. Well I guess.
I made a trip to hamondsport and got his ku band up and going. hooked up the wiring. ku is good. now on to c-band. Everything is hooked up and off the bat as it was getting dark you could see that the lnbf was not pointing center to the dish. Ugg. Big dish to get up and mess with that. Next Big problem is that this motor is slooooooooooow. Like barely moving. Its a 3 bolt motor. channel master dish. I think that whatever is causing this thing to be so week and so slow is what is causing the v-box to say error. Some kind of resistance build up. We were able to move it via car 12 volt battery jump starter on 6 amp. But I must say this thing should be faster than that. Everything is greased and free. Im thinking it needs a new motor. But I have no idea what this one is called. Its no bigger that a windsheild wiper motor in a car. # bolt to the right side. Has a cover on the left that looks like it comes off. No labeling on it. I took some pictures that i will upload soon. Hopefully that will help identify this thing. Oh by the way I also tried using his combo general instruments video cypher receiver dish mover from 1996. It tried to move the dish but no eval.