Boy do I need help

[boomer_106]

Setting up my FTA Rec. Viewsat Ultra. I use a high Freq splitter and split the KU feed to my Uniden Supra and the viewsat. I'm looking to get one specific station first and foremost (KUIL Fox Beaumont) So I set my analog rec to AMC 4 101*W. I couldnt find any active KU transponders so I find a C band one at 16 to be active. This way I know my dish is pointed correctly. With that out of the way I go into my viewsats antenna setup and try to setup 101. I set the lnb to universal, I set the high and low to the highest and lowest respectively(not realizing you could plug your own values in) I start blind scanning. It starts picking up some channels. It's taking a long time so I stop it and see what I have. There are like a handul of channels. One was Suroyo, another CGN, and a couple of others I can't remember off the top of my head. Not very interesting programming but, that wasn't the point. So I decide, I just need to manually enter some numbers for KUIL. I have the TP Freq, Polarity, and SR so if I punch them in it should come up. At this point I'm kinda looking at the manual trying to figure out how to do this. I think I finally have it but when I search I just keep getting failed. Cant seem to find the elusive Beaumont channel.
Doing more blindsearching and coming up with some channels like Fox news, weather channel, A&E etc. I'm thinking wow I dont remember seeing them on the FTA list. Turns out when I try to tune them it's only audio with a black screen. No biggie I didnt plan on getting those channels anyway. Can anyone help to get KUIL? Perhaps I wasn't properly entering the information ( TP, SR, Pol) stuff needed? If you have a viewsat ultra and receive this station I'd really love to hear from you.

 

[DiscoLoveGrapes]

Those audio-only channels (FoxNews, A&E, etc) are scrambled in an odd way, so it's quite normal to get the audio off of them.

Since you're getting those and the others like CGN (how high is the quality?), you're on the right track. For me, KUIL never came in on blind scan and had to be plugged in manually -- with the PIDS. Just to make sure we're on the same page:

11708V 2170SR
4194 VPID - Video
4195 APID - Audio

 

[turbosat]

Boomer is that Fox 64? I think I accidentally found it earlier, while working on my dish project. I thought I was on AMC1, but it was prob AMC4. I just remember running blind scan on vertical polarity, and I only got 3 channels, One had video on it, and it said Fox 64, which I had never heard of, didnt know it was there.
I dont have the motor hooked up on that dish yet, and its now on G10. but I'll see if I can find the info on the list it saved.

edit to add> here's what my old Coship rec this afternoon stored on that ch :
11706mhz Vertical, SR 2169
APID 0034, VPID 0033 PCR 0033
thats similar info to Disco's, except for the PIDS . try both ways I guess!

 

[boomer_106]

Boomer is that Fox 64? I think I accidentally found it earlier, while working on my dish project. I thought I was on AMC1, but it was prob AMC4. I just remember running blind scan on vertical polarity, and I only got 3 channels, One had video on it, and it said Fox 64, which I had never heard of, didnt know it was there.
I dont have the motor hooked up on that dish yet, and its now on G10. but I'll see if I can find the info on the list it saved.

Yes, that is indeed Fox 64. Guess your luck is better than mine

 

[Mr Tony]

You have to change the LNB Power from Universal to Standard 10750. If you are using the big dish, I am going to assume the LNB is a standard.

 

[boomer_106]

Those audio-only channels (FoxNews, A&E, etc) are scrambled in an odd way, so it's quite normal to get the audio off of them.

Since you're getting those and the others like CGN (how high is the quality?), you're on the right track. For me, KUIL never came in on blind scan and had to be plugged in manually -- with the PIDS. Just to make sure we're on the same page:

11708V 2170SR
4194 VPID - Video
4195 APID - Audio

I didn't pay any attention to the quality to tell ya the truth. Since I've been playing around with the settings in the lnb antenna setup area I now can't get CGN or Suroyo. Don't know what I did. In the edit transponder list I went under transponder 1 and entered 11708, entered 2170, V, 3/4 FEC. I then see an option that says add user channel. I push F4 on the viewsat remote to do that and it gives me the Video PID, Audio PID, PCR PID has them listed at 8192 and will not let me make a change so I have no idea how to get those PID settings in.

 

[boomer_106]

You have to change the LNB Power from Universal to Standard 10750. If you are using the big dish, I am going to assume the LNB is a standard.

Ok Iceberg, I made that change. The KU lnb is an Eagle Aspen 770 KU. What should I set the TP freq. at?

 

[turbosat]

Boomer you can hit Enter, under the Add User Channel function, to highlight/change those PIDs, use numberson remote control to change, the scroll down to next field, enter/change, then hit Exit , Save changes, exit out and you should have it. I have the same rec as you.

 

[Mr Tony]

Ok Iceberg, I made that change. The KU lnb is an Eagle Aspen 770 KU. What should I set the TP freq. at?

I dont have that receiver but if its like an old model setup would be
LNB Type STANDARD
LNB Freq 10750
22KHz OFF

 

[boomer_106]

Boomer you can hit Enter, under the Add User Channel function, to highlight/change those PIDs, use numberson remote control to change, the scroll down to next field, enter/change, then hit Exit , Save changes, exit out and you should have it. I have the same rec as you.

When you say enter I assume you mean the one labeled "ok" When I do that it just goes back to the previous page. If I start on the channel scan page and hit the green F2 button under number 1 should I be entering 11708 Freq, S/R 2170, Pol V, FEC 3/4, then there is a blank Tv and radio. Is this where I'm supposed to enter that info to get KUIL or should I have something else there?

Iceberg I have the settings you advised. There is also a TP Freq option. Not sure what I should set that at?

 

[Mr Tony]

The TP freq option (again I'm going off the original Viewsat menu screens) allowed you to select a transponder to lock in while tuning the dish.

If you're on AMC4 I would try the 2 big religious transponders. They're very strong and will allow you to fine tune the dish.

Satellite (name)-frequency/polarity/symbol rate
101 (AMC4)-11822 H 5700 or 12120 V 30000

 

[turbosat]

Boomer under the Channel Scan page, scroll down to highlight EDIT TRANSPONDER, it will highlight first transponder in the list. Of course, if it hasn't listed any, you will have to add the transponder first, with the SR info, polarity, etc. Once you enter it, exit, it will ask you whether to save or not, hit OK to save. Then, you should be able to scan that one transponder. When you have the new transponder in the list, highlight it, then hit F4 -Add User Channel. Thats the way it works on mine-to add a channel with PID info. It will either find the transponder or fail.

 

[boomer_106]

Boomer under the Channel Scan page, scroll down to highlight EDIT TRANSPONDER, it will highlight first transponder in the list. Of course, if it hasn't listed any, you will have to add the transponder first, with the SR info, polarity, etc. Once you enter it, exit, it will ask you whether to save or not, hit OK to save. Then, you should be able to scan that one transponder. When you have the new transponder in the list, highlight it, then hit F4 -Add User Channel. Thats the way it works on mine-to add a channel with PID info. It will either find the transponder or fail.

Thanks turbo, still no luck finding that channel. I'll have to get back at it another day. When you go to that add user channel on mine I see 3 options. Video PID, Audio PID, and some other PID. I've figured out how to change it but, I'm not sure it's holding when I exit. Either way it fails trying to find that. Maybe I'm not quite locked onto the satellite. I locked it with C Band but, those are always easier to pull in than something off a KU lnb. I'll have to go at it with the things Iceberg suggested.

 

[boomer_106]

The TP freq option (again I'm going off the original Viewsat menu screens) allowed you to select a transponder to lock in while tuning the dish.

If you're on AMC4 I would try the 2 big religious transponders. They're very strong and will allow you to fine tune the dish.

Satellite (name)-frequency/polarity/symbol rate
101 (AMC4)-11822 H 5700 or 12120 V 30000

Thanks Iceberg. Perhaps my problem is I'm not quite locked on KU? I'll have to try the strong ones you suggested. When I go into the channel scan menu like turbo was talking about in his last post do I have to put the correct transponder in?

What I mean by that for example is according to Lyngsat KUIL is on transponder 1 with 11708 and SR of 2170. So do I need to list that info next to TP 1 in that menu? I thought I read somewhere all you needed was the TP freq, Polarity, and SR. I hope you understand what I'm asking

 

[voomvoom]

All lnb's (lnbf's) are not the same, different people may get different results from one another? Also, Receivers are not the same, different people may get different results from one another? Also, lnb's (lnbf's) which are cheaply made, or when some get old and worn, they may get week and then hot weather or cold weather can effect them?
Bottom line, if the numbers are close, they should work. If not, try changing the numbers around, a couple of digits at a time (one way or the other) and see if you can get it to work? Also, since you are using an analog receiver (I assume) to change the polarity, are you remembering to change the polarity to vertical to be able to get KUIL?

Al

 

[boomer_106]

All lnb's (lnbf's) are not the same, different people may get different results from one another? Also, Receivers are not the same, different people may get different results from one another? Also, lnb's (lnbf's) which are cheaply made, or when some get old and worn, they may get week and then hot weather or cold weather can effect them?
Bottom line, if the numbers are close, they should work. If not, try changing the numbers around, a couple of digits at a time (one way or the other) and see if you can get it to work? Also, since you are using an analog receiver (I assume) to change the polarity, are you remembering to change the polarity to vertical to be able to get KUIL?

Al

Hey Al, Yeah thanks I am switching polarity with the analog. I believe on amc4 the odd channels are vertical. So I've been setting it on an odd channel. I've just got to persevere and get it eventually. I'm thinking it may be the alignment. Not sure yet

 

[Mr Tony]

Correct...AMC4 the odds are Vertical.

 

[boomer_106]

Well I am close on KUIL. I had it pop in but, it's only around 10 quality wise so it's very choppy and sometimes downright won't come in at all. I did tune in the 3ABN Iceberg advised and signal quality is showing around 20-25 but it comes in fine. Channels like Vietnam TV and TRWAM, CGN, Suroyo etc get a quality of about 40-45. They also come in fine. Is KUIL weaker for everyone else? My KU LNB is listed in my sig. It's not that old. Is there one no doubt champ Ku LNB affordably on the market?

Comments welcome and appreciated.

I am finding that playing with the skew on the c band receiver has brought my quality to the low 20s on KUIL and it is now watchable(at least for the time being) . Still seems like I should have better quality though.

 

[Mr Tony]

KU can be a little more finicky than C-Band digital (and C-Band analog is MUCH more forgiving)...I know when I've worked on my 6 foot C-Band dish with the C/KU LNBF sometimes KU can be off from C-Band.

 

[boomer_106]

I assume you get KUIL with a good signal? Do you think my LNB is fine? Thanks for your help