BD Stomps HDDVD 51GB with 100GB

[mike123abc]

Well since HD-DVD announced that they had a new 51 GB standard (just be be sure to have more than BD), BD decided to respond. While it is uncertain if the HDDVD 51GB is compatible with first generation platters or not (hopefully it is since I do not want to have to buy a new one), it seems that the BD camp thinks their 100GB can be updated with a firmware patch.

TG Daily - Hitachi unveils 100 GB Blu-ray disc
PC Pro: News: Hitachi showcases 100GB Blu-Ray disc

Interesting working on 200GB, but not there yet...

 

[navychop]

I suspect the 100GB disc will only be used for data. Interesting claim in the article, that existing players only require a firmware update to read the disc. If true, maybe there will be 100GB movie discs one day, with huge extras or multiple movies. I'll just keep a grain of salt handy. Maybe a whole salt lick. Ah, how nice if it turns out to be true! I doubt we'll know for many months.

Hopefully, sometime in 2009 they'll put the 200GB version on the street. That's the sucker I want to install in my next server for backup. Discs are easier to carry back and forth off site.

 

[mike123abc]

If they indeed only need a firmware update (like I suspect Toshiba is planning with HD-DVD to 51GB) it would probably be used a lot. It would be nice to have a season of HD TV episodes reduced to a couple of discs. Pirates OTC could be down to one disc too. It would just come down to being able to manufacture the discs with a high yield. Even if it costs more than 2x to make a 100GB disc over a 50GB one, it would be used.

 

[allargon]

I'd rather see a quad layer HD-DVD but not for 60GB. I'd rather see it for twin-format DVD-9/HD-DVD30.

I think the 100GB is for computer only considering how some early Blu-Ray players couldn't even play music CD's.

 

[navychop]

If they indeed only need a firmware update (like I suspect Toshiba is planning with HD-DVD to 51GB) it would probably be used a lot. It would be nice to have a season of HD TV episodes reduced to a couple of discs. Pirates OTC could be down to one disc too.....

You're right. I didn't think of that. Maybe a season could fit on one 100GB disc, without the commercials and repetitive openings/closings? And there may even one day be a market for an entire SD series on one BD. Anyone for the definitive "I Love Lucy" collection? Honeymooners?

 

[mike123abc]

A season of half hour shows would fit nicely. A shorter season of hour shows probably would work on one disc. They would probaby make hour shows 2 discs for extras and such.

 

[JoeSp]

It is very interesting that Hitachi claims that the new 100gb disc will play in current players with only a firmware upgrade. Makes me thing that there is more to the BD players currently out then we know. However, there have been several claims that the dual format HD-DVD discs (with a DVD copy only with the HD-DVD copy on the same discs) have not been as rosy as everyone says it is. There have been problems on playback and there continues to be problems with first generation HD-DVD players.

I think the rival formats should not try to do more then they were originally designed for. Let that part of the format mature completely before expanding the format in to more space and/or features.

 

[VinceT3]

Well first BD hasn't settled on any standards so good luck on that working any any player anytime soon. Second has BD even produced a 50 gig disc yet, I know they clam to have it, but has it been produced. Since they use the same marketing department directv has been using for 3 years now. Lastly, if they do produce it what makes you think it'll work any better than BD+/BDj ..

 

[mike123abc]

Well first BD hasn't settled on any standards so good luck on that working any any player anytime soon. Second has BD even produced a 50 gig disc yet, I know they clam to have it, but has it been produced. Since they use the same marketing department directv has been using for 3 years now. Lastly, if they do produce it what makes you think it'll work any better than BD+/BDj ..

Time warp here... Sony announced last week that they shipped thier 10 Millionth BD 50... Yes BD 50 works, and has worked for a while...

 

[navychop]

Well first BD hasn't settled on any standards so good luck on that working any any player anytime soon.

You can continue to claim there are no standards, but it doesn't change the truth. Do you keep making that bogus claim, hoping to mislead newbies? Blu-ray has had the same 3 levels of players set since the beginning. An established, known upgrade path. And if one day, Dolby "Super Duper" audio comes out, I'm sure both formats, if both are around, will adopt it for future players- at least as an option.

People who can only attack the opposing format must have run out of positive things to say about the one they support. Great future in politics.

Second has BD even produced a 50 gig disc yet, I know they clam to have it, but has it been produced.

Only 10 million of them. The 10 millionth was a copy of Spiderman 3. Several dual layer BD-50 titles have been sold for quite some time, such as POTC/Black Pearl & DMC, Flags of our Fathers, Apocalypto, Letters from Iwo Jima, Black Hawk Down, Casino Royale, and many others.

Lastly, if they do produce it what makes you think it'll work any better than BD+/BDj ..

Obviously it works just fine, as does BD+. The two players with problems had poorly made firmware and will get updates to fix them. And the problem seems related to key revocation, not BD+.

Are you unaware of all these facts, amply discussed in this and other forums, or do you choose to ignore them?

 

[ocnier]

Well first BD hasn't settled on any standards so good luck on that working any any player anytime soon. Second has BD even produced a 50 gig disc yet, I know they clam to have it, but has it been produced. Since they use the same marketing department directv has been using for 3 years now. Lastly, if they do produce it what makes you think it'll work any better than BD+/BDj ..

Hell, it amazes me now that the BD camp still hasn't truly finalized the standards. I think you would get a significant increase in migration if they did (including myself). Unfortunately this is where hollywood paranoia is in play. Both camps have a long way to go.


PS. to make matter worse lets not forget (drum roll......) the new guy VMD (as if it wasn't bad enough). This damn format war is never going to end.

 

[navychop]

So why do you think they haven't finalized the standards? Because someone posted, claiming it? They're final.

 

[charper1]

Posted 9/2004

Sony working on 200GB Blu-ray disc - Engadget

 

[vurbano]

What movie can I expect on 100 GB BD?

 

[vurbano]

So these 100 GB and 200 GB optical discs are faster and cheaper for storage than Hard drives? There is some kind of market for them?

 

[charper1]

Once mass marketed these will be great for commercial / business uses of all kids. Hell, at the right startup price I would use them to backup my PC in the house via network. I don't think we will see any entertainment on these for year if ever.

 

[diogen]

...at the right startup price I would use them to backup my PC in the house via network.

And here I think lies the problem.
Judging by the price comparison between single- and dual-layer DVDs (about 3 times more per GB for dual layer),
I think your condition will never be met. With more than 2 layers chances are even slimmer...

I strongly believe this whole 51GB vs. 100GB is nothing but PR.
HD DVD needed to neutralize a BD talking point, "storage advantage".
"Bandwidth advantage" (more valuable asset) is not that important since even an educated J6P (oxymoron?)
starts looking for the exit door when hearing those words. As a countermeasure, BD reanimated the 100-200 GB talks.

Diogen.

 

[charper1]

Well for the home user today, but what about a year or three from now? And corp users can justify the costs in a year if not soon.

 

[Derwin0]

What movie can I expect on 100 GB BD?

I don't image it'll be used for movies, but would be great for TV Series Box Sets.
Or even movie sets, multiple Star Wars on 1 disc would be sweet.

 

[vurbano]

Once mass marketed these will be great for commercial / business uses of all kids. Hell, at the right startup price I would use them to backup my PC in the house via network. I don't think we will see any entertainment on these for year if ever.

The right price and the right write speed. Come back in 15 years But by then hard drives will just be an even better choice. :haha