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Okay, I'm posting this "in the blind", meaning I haven't read any posts before it since my last post on the 20th. The reason for this will become obvious in a moment.

It's amazing what a good night's sleep will do for a person. I awoke this morning and within about 5 minutes of waking up, *bing* the answer hits me! Six and Gaius, at the 150k year point, are the Six and Gaius that Baltar and Caprica (respectively) had seen/were seeing through the series at various times! Duh! In that light, their conversation now makes a lot more sense to me...wonder if Kara ever *poofed* in from time-to-time or not? :D

I don't know what I was thinking last night. Just being too tired from a tough day at work, I guess, or over-thinking the story. I dunno. Anyway, I'm feeling better now that I don't feel like a complete idiot. ;)
 
long_time_DNC said:
Okay, I'm posting this "in the blind", meaning I haven't read any posts before it since my last post on the 20th. The reason for this will become obvious in a moment.

It's amazing what a good night's sleep will do for a person. I awoke this morning and within about 5 minutes of waking up, *bing* the answer hits me! Six and Gaius, at the 150k year point, are the Six and Gaius that Baltar and Caprica (respectively) had seen/were seeing through the series at various times! Duh! In that light, their conversation now makes a lot more sense to me...wonder if Kara ever *poofed* in from time-to-time or not? :D

I don't know what I was thinking last night. Just being too tired from a tough day at work, I guess, or over-thinking the story. I dunno. Anyway, I'm feeling better now that I don't feel like a complete idiot. ;)
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I think you are right. You are not complete idiot. :D

And I am so glad to have resolution to that gnawing question. Add to it the long dialogue I posted an hour ago of Baltar's speech in the CIC and I felt like it all came together for me.

One thing that is interesting is that the whole Daniel thing seemed to go away; we'll never know if "Daniel" was Kara's father, but I suspect he wasn't. Kara learned the song as a kid; she grew up; she died. She came back to life, brought them to Earth (13th tribe earth), had the visions of the song/helped along by Hera, and helped them find the second Earth. And then, her journey complete, she disappears, maybe to spend eternity with Anders? (I still am not clear what he said during her goodbye). Yet, given Kara's journey, it seems to be much bigger than something Cavill could have set into motion with Daniel. Or maybe I am wrong.

Gods, you could go very deep into interpretations of all of that. :)
 
Sammy033 said:
It also explains where Jimi Hendrix got his music inspiration from. Makes you wonder whether or not there are any other BSG or Cylon related things in his other songs. :D
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That would be where Bob Dylan got his inspiration, he is the one who wrote, "All Along the Watchtower."
 
rockymtnhigh said:
I think you are right. You are not complete idiot. :D

And I am so glad to have resolution to that gnawing question. Add to it the long dialogue I posted an hour ago of Baltar's speech in the CIC and I felt like it all came together for me.

One thing that is interesting is that the whole Daniel thing seemed to go away; we'll never know if "Daniel" was Kara's father, but I suspect he wasn't. Kara learned the song as a kid; she grew up; she died. She came back to life, brought them to Earth (13th tribe earth), had the visions of the song/helped along by Hera, and helped them find the second Earth. And then, her journey complete, she disappears, maybe to spend eternity with Anders? (I still am not clear what he said during her goodbye). Yet, given Kara's journey, it seems to be much bigger than something Cavill could have set into motion with Daniel. Or maybe I am wrong.

Gods, you could go very deep into interpretations of all of that. :)
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Yeah, thanks for the reinforcement. :D ;)

Indeed, the whole Daniel issue went away. It's probably safe to assume the Cavil did away with the Daniel's, as Ellen led us to believe. It's possible that one Daniel managed to get away and was Kara's father, but we'll never know for sure unless RDM gives us that answer. As you nicely summed it up, Starbuck (Kara) was a nexus-type of character in the story. She had a pivital role, a focal-point position in the plot (Kara Thrace and Her Secret Destiny :D). Everything, in the end, landed on her shoulders (with a little help from Hera)...and had she not been given the musical notes and recognized them as such, had she not assigned them numeric values, not been in the CIC when she was in order to enter the digits as jump coordinates...they'd have never found "Earth". Where she went too after talking to Lee (or where she came back from for that matter), we will very likely never know, but I seriously do not think Cavil or "Daniel" had anything to do with it.

Yeah, it's deep stuff...
 
Yota86 said:
That would be where Bob Dylan got his inspiration, he is the one who wrote, "All Along the Watchtower."
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Doh!!! Forgot about that hehe. Maybe Bob was another part of God's plan we just dont understand yet. :D

After thinking about it if Kara was an angel she was a unusual one because she didnt know what she was, could be seen by everybody and I assume passed the various genetic tests and such. She didnt hide things from the people but just didnt know. Only vague visions, prophesies and some kind of weird sense of knowing which way the first Earth was. If it was all about helping to guide humanity then it was a pretty complicated way of doing it.

It still remains that even after 150,000 years if Hera was found then there must be some remnants of non-working technology around also. There were raptors and vipers left as well as whatever else was needed for survival.
 
Sammy033 said:
Doh!!! Forgot about that hehe. Maybe Bob was another part of God's plan we just dont understand yet. :D

After thinking about it if Kara was an angel she was a unusual one because she didnt know what she was, could be seen by everybody and I assume passed the various genetic tests and such. She didnt hide things from the people but just didnt know. Only vague visions, prophesies and some kind of weird sense of knowing which way the first Earth was. If it was all about helping to guide humanity then it was a pretty complicated way of doing it.

It still remains that even after 150,000 years if Hera was found then there must be some remnants of non-working technology around also. There were raptors and vipers left as well as whatever else was needed for survival.
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Well, Mitochondrial Eve could have been anyone, and it probably was a metaphor that she was Hera;

But certainly there would have been problems, although it seems like the idea was to destroy all of the technology. Just something we didn't see as it was not necessary to completing the story. However, as plot holes go, its a small one. Lots of things get wiped out in 150,000 years. :)
 
Why do Lee and the Old Man have to live a life in exile? I have been thinking about it, and that is one thing that is unsatisfying. I can accept Tyrol's decision; he feels like he is better off by himself, and maybe he is. But why the exile for the Admiral and Lee? Why not have the old man spend his remaining days as a third wheel with his lifelong friend Tigh? No answers, no expectation of them, just thoughts that continue to go through my noggin. :)
 
There was never anything more about Daniel, everything about him after Cavil's mention of him is a 'rabbit hole' as RDM has said... the piano player was just Kara's father that she was basically seeing as a way to realize the notes/numbers/coordinates that were in her head. That's how her character manifested that information (with a gentle shove from Hera) so that she could fulfill her 'mission.' Daniel was just there for the implications of how evil Cavil is.

She was the harbinger of death. With the discovery of the second earth that was the end of civilization as they knew it, giving life (the missing link) to a new civilization.
 
dfergie said:
Ice Age?
Btw if you can't wait for the BD's Season 1-3 are on sale at Amazon... go thru the SatelliteGuys link SatelliteGuys.US Amazon.COM SuperStore! - Page 1
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Yeah, was thinking the same - Ice Age will wipe a lot out... or bury stuff under LOTS of ice... thinking of my other favorite SciFi show. :D


I'll stick with season 1 on HD-DVD (I do have season one on DVD as well... probably should sell that). And wait for the BDs...
 
I felt sorry for Lee. He and Kara had connection that went back to that night of drinking with his brother and was never able to be truly fulfilled. Just when it looked like Apollo and Starbuck might be thinking about having little bucklings, *poof*... Lee's alone again. Maybe he settled down with one of Baltar's harem?

I wonder what the Sentinels (Sentient Centurions) have been up to for the last 150 millennium? Would they be able to increase their numbers without help and no Resurrection technology?

I think Cavil finally realized that his machinations were responsible for the end of the pure Cylon race. If he had not killed the F5 and sent them to live among the humans, Resurrection would not have been lost forever. He had tried to play God, and found that he was not up to the job. Another "miscalculation". I think that drove him to his final decision.

Hand of God: flotsam hits the Raptor just as it's aiming at the Colony, causing Racetrack's (I assume) dead hand to fall on the missile launch button, nuking the Colony. Really. How convenient that the Colony's self-defense grid decided to not defend itself. I guess God does take sides...
 
Foxbat said:
I felt sorry for Lee. He and Kara had connection that went back to that night of drinking with his brother and was never able to be truly fulfilled. Just when it looked like Apollo and Starbuck might be thinking about having little bucklings, *poof*... Lee's alone again. Maybe he settled down with one of Baltar's harem?
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The pigeon in the flashback was a metaphor for all of this too.
 
Foxbat said:
I felt sorry for Lee. He and Kara had connection that went back to that night of drinking with his brother and was never able to be truly fulfilled. Just when it looked like Apollo and Starbuck might be thinking about having little bucklings, *poof*... Lee's alone again. Maybe he settled down with one of Baltar's harem?

I wonder what the Sentinels (Sentient Centurions) have been up to for the last 150 millennium? Would they be able to increase their numbers without help and no Resurrection technology?

I think Cavil finally realized that his machinations were responsible for the end of the pure Cylon race. If he had not killed the F5 and sent them to live among the humans, Resurrection would not have been lost forever. He had tried to play God, and found that he was not up to the job. Another "miscalculation". I think that drove him to his final decision.

Hand of God: flotsam hits the Raptor just as it's aiming at the Colony, causing Racetrack's (I assume) dead hand to fall on the missile launch button, nuking the Colony. Really. How convenient that the Colony's self-defense grid decided to not defend itself. I guess God does take sides...
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Roland, I agree across the board. Lee's end without Kara is sad.

The Hand of God argument is intriguing, considering Baltar's claim that God is not on any side - yet Kara had the coordinates to new Earth - and apparently was not of this world. So was God on someone's side? Although according to head-Baltar, he doesn't like that name. :)
 

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