at-9 h20

[sguest9]

just got it and installed myself works great. i live in Athens and can only get NBC and sometimes fox ota. with the new dish i get ABC, fox, NBC, and CBS. it did take me about 2hrs to get aim right but dtv want 99.00 for the upgrade. i went to circuit city and got the dish and h20 for 280.00 with a 200.00 mail in rebate. the aim was the same as my 3 lnb just had to fine tune it.

any ? just ask me :up

 

[mbetts]

How is the quality of your HD locals? I am in Dacula and NBC looks terrible.

 

[sguest9]

looks ok but the audio drops just like it did with my ota.

 

[nmstough]

just got it and installed myself works great. i live in Athens and can only get NBC and sometimes fox ota. with the new dish i get ABC, fox, NBC, and CBS. it did take me about 2hrs to get aim right but dtv want 99.00 for the upgrade. i went to circuit city and got the dish and h20 for 280.00 with a 200.00 mail in rebate. the aim was the same as my 3 lnb just had to fine tune it.
any ? just ask me :up

What did you use to measure the satellite signal? A meter or the receiver itself? After fine tuning the azimuth, did you tighten those brass bolts on the base of the dish attachment or leave them loose. The manual doesnt indicate which.

 

[sguest9]

the receiver the brass bolt stay loose. the sat signal on the h 20 101(a) is high of 82,103(network 14) only gets one transponder it is 82,110(c) is 77, 119(b) 91 and my dvr r10 101(a) is 96,119(b)is 100, 110(c) is 95. can anyone tell why the signal is different from one receiver to the other?

 

[rad]

the receiver the brass bolt stay loose. the sat signal on the h 20 101(a) is high of 82,103(network 14) only gets one transponder it is 82,110(c) is 77, 119(b) 91 and my dvr r10 101(a) is 96,119(b)is 100, 110(c) is 95. can anyone tell why the signal is different from one receiver to the other?

It appears that the H20 reports much lower numbers on signal strength then other receivers.

 

[hdtvtechno]

looks ok but the audio drops just like it did with my ota.

Did you get the Directv Firmware update last night ?

 

[dragon002]

hey guys,

ive posted this before and i will say it again. this new 5 slot dish is the same as the phase 3 and PARATODOS dishes. set your SKEW (tilt) and ELEVATION , get a compass reading for the 101 birds. in pittsburgh it is 220 degrees get the 101 to 90+ on a clear day change the IRD to the 119 bird, get it to 93+ , re check the 101 , as long as it is above 88, LOCK IT DOWN!!!

there is NO adjustment at the lnb end of the dish/ arm, as long as the 101 and 119 are set at 90 +/- the rest HAVE TO BE RIGHT. take the fine tune screw and toss it where we tossed the primestar and paratodos fine tune bolts......in the garbage.


one critical thing with ALL multi-sat dishes, MAKE DAMN SURE that mast is dead on level AND plumb, or you will be beating your head against a wall,,, just some advice from a 6 year tech

 

[little dish guy]

Hey Dragon 002,
The AT9 has requirements that are completely different from the Phase 3, Primestar or any consumer dish we have ever seen. You must follow the instructions and if you are an experienced tech you should know better. You have to follow the alignment all the way through, no skimping! Do not toss the fine tune bolts in the garbage and the mast being plumb is not that critical since you actively peak the tilt to optimize everything. Telling folks to lock it down if they get anything above a certain reading is irresponsible, you have to do this one right.
Bob

hey guys,
ive posted this before and i will say it again. this new 5 slot dish is the same as the phase 3 and PARATODOS dishes. set your SKEW (tilt) and ELEVATION , get a compass reading for the 101 birds. in pittsburgh it is 220 degrees get the 101 to 90+ on a clear day change the IRD to the 119 bird, get it to 93+ , re check the 101 , as long as it is above 88, LOCK IT DOWN!!!
there is NO adjustment at the lnb end of the dish/ arm, as long as the 101 and 119 are set at 90 +/- the rest HAVE TO BE RIGHT. take the fine tune screw and toss it where we tossed the primestar and paratodos fine tune bolts......in the garbage.
one critical thing with ALL multi-sat dishes, MAKE DAMN SURE that mast is dead on level AND plumb, or you will be beating your head against a wall,,, just some advice from a 6 year tech

 

[little dish guy]

By the way, there is an important adjustment at the end of the dish/arm to optimize 110/119.
Bob

there is NO adjustment at the lnb end of the dish/ arm, as long as the 101 and 119 are set at 90 +/- the rest HAVE TO BE RIGHT. take the fine tune screw and toss it where we tossed the primestar and paratodos fine tune bolts......in the garbage.

 

[dragon002]

Hey Dragon 002,
The AT9 has requirements that are completely different from the Phase 3, Primestar or any consumer dish we have ever seen. You must follow the instructions and if you are an experienced tech you should know better. You have to follow the alignment all the way through, no skimping! Do not toss the fine tune bolts in the garbage and the mast being plumb is not that critical since you actively peak the tilt to optimize everything. Telling folks to lock it down if they get anything above a certain reading is irresponsible, you have to do this one right.
Bob

no , the CRITICAL adjustement is find the 101 lock on the 119 and the rest have to be in line. are you watching the on line B*LLSHIT???

i heard the same thing about the PHASE 3 DISH,,,,,you have to have the fine tune bolt.......b*llshit....and IF you are a tech you would know that.

and that mast HAS TO BE PLUMB AND LEVEL....PERIOD ,,,or you will be there like a newbie calling tech support and B*TCHING...you sold me a bad IRD (or STB as you guys call them)

 

[sguest9]

Did you get the Directv Firmware update last night ?

i do not know what is the new update #

 

[little dish guy]

Dragon002,
Most everything you mention contradicts the installation manual and training for the AT9, except installers are taught to make the mast real plumb. It doesn’t have to be anywhere near plumb except for initially finding the 101 sat, but it’s good practice to do so. You also seem a bit angry about something, hope it’s not your TV reception from your own personal install. Have you had any formal training or experience with the AT9 or anything beyond regular D*, E* or FTA dishes?
Bob

 

[dragon002]

Dragon002,
Most everything you mention contradicts the installation manual and training for the AT9, except installers are taught to make the mast real plumb. It doesn’t have to be anywhere near plumb except for initially finding the 101 sat, but it’s good practice to do so. You also seem a bit angry about something, hope it’s not your TV reception from your own personal install. Have you had any formal training or experience with the AT9 or anything beyond regular D*, E* or FTA dishes?
Bob

bob ,

ive done directv 101,110,119 paratodos installs

ive done directv 101,110,119 phase 3 installs

ive done sat c combiner kits

ive done all the hughes series

ive done all the samsung JUNK

ive done all the phillips JUNK

ive done the sony .... well lets leave that at....that

ive done primestar conversions and service calls

ive done tivos

ive done the garbage r-15s give me a R-10 tivo any day!!

ive done the ultimate, and it was that!!

ive done the new 5 lnb dish

my sbca # is 0**0 is that low enough for you??

i do plasmas and lcd installs

i do SERIOUS home sound systems

i have access to directv facts via e-mail, do you?

i sound angry? and you sound like you know more than i do?

which i really DOUBT "the mast does not have to be LEVEL AND PLUMB"

ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy:devil:

 

[Jimbo]

I have to agree with Dragon002,
I have not dealt with the AT-9 yet, but in every dish I have ever worked with, the most important step was making da*n sure the mast was plumb. Otherwise you will never get more than 1 sat correct, at maximum signal strenth.
I can't imagime even trying to find a signal without being level and plumb.

Remember guy's this ain't rocket science,
D* makes it sound like you need an engeneering degree, if that was the case, they would have actual training on the subject, from what I have heard so far, not many installers have been given any REAL training, just look at the posts from people that have had them installed ........

Jimbo

 

[little dish guy]

Very impressive, sorry I questioned your talents. The fact still remains that the AT9 gets the tilt peaked with a live signal and an out of plumb mast gets fixed in the process, assuming you find the satellite of course. Also, I have been told that a Phase 3 dish for example can be peaked to about +/- .5 degrees of being dead nuts on the satellite and even a very seasoned and talented installer like yourself cannot detect anything closer, even with the best meter or spectrum analyzer or whatever. Anything closer than .5 degree of dead nuts on is pure luck or chance. And for a phase 3 dish or 18" D* or E* dish it doesn’t matter, its close enough. I have also been told the AT9 needs to be pointed to an accuracy of about 10X that of a phase 3 dish, reasons are too numerous to mention. The fine tune bolts you are telling people to toss in the garbage are needed along with the alignment procedure to make sure the AT9 is absolutely, precisely, without question, pointed dead nuts on. Does that make any sense? Are you angry about anything mentioned thus far?
Bob

bob ,
ive done directv 101,110,119 paratodos installs
ive done directv 101,110,119 phase 3 installs
ive done sat c combiner kits
ive done all the hughes series
ive done all the samsung JUNK
ive done all the phillips JUNK
ive done the sony .... well lets leave that at....that
ive done primestar conversions and service calls
ive done tivos
ive done the garbage r-15s give me a R-10 tivo any day!!
ive done the ultimate, and it was that!!
ive done the new 5 lnb dish
my sbca # is 0**0 is that low enough for you??
i do plasmas and lcd installs
i do SERIOUS home sound systems
i have access to directv facts via e-mail, do you?
i sound angry? and you sound like you know more than i do?
which i really DOUBT "the mast does not have to be LEVEL AND PLUMB"
ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy:devil:

 

[hdtvtechno]

i do not know what is the new update #

OFO3

 

[sguest9]

OFO3

yes i got it

 

[sltmag]

What dragon is saying makes some sense. I have watched the setup videos multiple times now, and what I can gather is that the the extra fine tuning should not be necessary if you can peak the signal from 101 and 119 in the high 90s. I believe the manual even says that you are now trying to tune the dish to a satellite that may or may not be active. If I get a 95 at 101 and a 98 at 119, what could I possibly be missing by fine tuning further? I'm ready to give this a go myself.

 

[sltmag]

I have one more question to those do it yourself-ers. If the receiver is already activated, will the the MPEG-4 channels be automatically picked up once the dish is installed or do I have to call Directv to have them turned on. I ask because I am in the NYC market and the channels are showing up in the guide. When I tune to them the receiver searches. Just asking because it would be kind of cool if I could compare the mpeg2 feed to the mpeg4 before D* turns the former off.