Any New HD Channels Coming?

[Scorpion.sting]

Is it correct that E* did not announce any new HD channels at CES? If so, that is pretty sucky.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Yup thats true.

Its like someone pressed a huge pause button at Dish Network.

 

[Scorpion.sting]

Thanks Scott for the quick reply. I appreciate all that you do for us.

 

[nuzzy]

I still don't get that...It's like E* is just sitting on it's hands lately...

 

[minnow]

Companies tend to do that when they are preparing to sell out.

 

[David Dietzel]

CES was disappointing for existing Dish customers, that's for sure.

Cash flow issues, perhaps????

Maybe Dish can get a big, fat, non-bid government contract to provide satellite service in Iraq. That should enhance revenues.

 

[riffjim4069]

Yup thats true.

Its like someone pressed a huge pause button at Dish Network.

Hey, where are Cinemax HD and the HD RSNs you said were coming back in September???

Seriously, as long as things remain status quo at DirecTV, then I'm expecting no additional HD from E*. I don't blame them...why incur addition programming expenses and bandwidth headaches when they are already way ahead of D*? It just makes more business sense to spend the money funding various new customer and upgrade promotions in exchange for an 18-month commitment.

Oddly, it's D* to blame for the lack of any new HD these days at E*.

 

[jerryez]

But John Malone is King of HDTV according to Newsweek.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Hey, where are Cinemax HD and the HD RSNs you said were coming back in September???

Guess you didn't read the Echostar press conference recap where I asked Charlie about the HD RSNs.

I was also told on the floor that the reason Dish was giving out outdated HD info in their press packets was because they were supposed to have Cinemax HD and had brochures printed up with them listed which they could not use and thus they gave out old HD info in their press packs.

 

[roachxp]

King of HDlite

 

[Bulldog]

Hey, where are Cinemax HD and the HD RSNs you said were coming back in September???

Seriously, as long as things remain status quo at DirecTV, then I'm expecting no additional HD from E*. I don't blame them...why incur addition programming expenses and bandwidth headaches when they are already way ahead of D*? It just makes more business sense to spend the money funding various new customer and upgrade promotions in exchange for an 18-month commitment.

Oddly, it's D* to blame for the lack of any new HD these days at E*.

Or paying off for the lost Law suits.

 

[boba]

Patience it is comming just not as fast as you want it, the world won't end tomorrow just because you don't have another HD channel to watch.

 

[Poke]

Well right now there are not that many new HD Networks to add. Yes Direct made some claims to add new HD Channels. But they must wait just like everyone else too see if those networks get their HD Channel launched first. So until these networks get their HD Channels up and running no one can get them. So it becomes a wait see and most of these networks will not be ready to try until September.

 

[JimK2]

Dish needs to clear echostar7 (119) transponders 15, 20 and echostar5 (129)transponders 1, 2, 4, 5 and get those channels on spotbeams, that would open up 6 conus transponders and use that for 18-22 additional HD channels.


WXIA TV 11 (NBC) Atlanta, GA SAP WXIA 5731 15 119° E*7
KNTV TV 11 (NBC) San Francisco., CA SAP KNTV 5732 15 119° E*7
WGCL TV 46 (CBS) Atlanta, GA SAP WGCL 5733 15 119° E*7
KPIX TV 5 (CBS) San Francisco., CA SAP KPIX 5734 15 119° E*7
WSB TV 2 (ABC) Atlanta, GA SAP WSB 5735 15 119° E*7
KGO TV 7 (ABC) San Francisco., CA SAP KGO 5736 15 119° E*7
WAGA TV 5 (Fox) Atlanta, GA SAP WAGA 5737 15 119° E*7
KTVU TV 2 (Fox) San Francisco., CA SAP KTVU 5738 15 119° E*7
KTLA-TV 5 (CW - Los Angeles) SAP KTLA 232 20 119° E*7
WPIX-TV (CW 11 - New York) WPIX 234 20 119° E*7
KWGN-TV (CW 2 - Denver) KWGN 235 20 119° E*7
WSBK-TV (Ind 38 - Boston) WSBK 236 20 119° E*7
WWOR-TV (MyTV 9 - Secaucus) WWOR 238 20 119° E*7
WNBC TV 4 (NBC) New York SAP NBC 241 20 119° E*7
WCBS TV 2 (CBS) New York CBS 243 20 119° E*7
WABC TV 7 (ABC) New York SAP ABC 245 20 119° E*7
WNYW TV 5 (Fox) New York SAP FOX 247 20 119° E*7
WPIX TV 11 (CW) New York WB 251 20 119° E*7
KTLA TV 5 (CW) Los Angeles SAP WB-W 252 20 119° E*7
KMBC DT (ABC) Kansas City, MO KMBC 6377 1 129° E*5
KCTV DT (CBS) Kansas City, MO KCTV 6378 1 129° E*5
KSHB DT (NBC) Kansas City, MO KSHB 6379 1 129° E*5
WDAF DT (Fox) Kansas City, MO WDAF 6380 1 129° E*5
KMGH TV (ABC) Denver, CO KMGH 6330 2 129° E*5
KCNC TV (CBS) Denver, CO KCNC 6331 2 129° E*5
KUSA TV (NBC) Denver, CO KUSA 6332 2 129° E*5
KDVR TV (Fox) Denver, CO KDVR 6333 2 129° E*5
WSB DT (ABC) SAP Atlanta, GA WSB 6365 4 129° E*5
WGCL DT (CBS) SAP Atlanta, GA WGCL 6366 4 129° E*5
WXIA DT (NBC) Atlanta, GA WXIA 6367 4 129° E*5
WAGA DT (Fox) SAP Atlanta, GA WAGA 6368 4 129° E*5
KCAU TV 9 (ABC) KCAU 7190 5 129° E*5
KMEG TV 14 (CBS) KMEG 7191 5 129° E*5
KTIV TV 4 (NBC) KTIV 7192 5 129° E*5
KPTH TV 44 (Fox) KPTH 7193 5 129° E*5
KSIN TV 27 (PBS/IPTV) KSIN 7195 5 129° E*5
KXNE TV 19 (PBS) Norfolk, NE KXNE 7196 5 129° E*5
WDTN TV 2 (NBC) WDTN 7425 5 129° E*5
WHIO TV 7 (CBS) WHIO 7426 5 129° E*5
WKEF TV 22 (ABC) WKEF 7427 5 129° E*5
WRGT TV 45 (Fox) WRGT 7428 5 129° E*5
WBDT TV 26 (CW) Springfield WBDT 7429 5 129° E*5
WPTD TV 16 (PBS) WPTD 7431 5 129° E*5
KSTP TV (ABC) St. Paul, MN KSTP 6347 9 129° E*5
WCCO TV (CBS) Minneapolis, MN WCCO 6348 9 129° E*5
KARE TV (NBC) Minneapolis, MN KARE 6349 9 129° E*5
KMSP TV (Fox) Minneapolis, MN KMSP 6350 9 129° E*5
KABC DT KABC 5845 10 129° E*5
KCBS DT KCBS 5846 10 129° E*5
KNBC DT KNBC 5847 10 129° E*5
KABC DT 53 (ABC) Los Angeles KABC 6306 10 129° E*5
KCBS DT 60 (CBS) Los Angeles KCBS 6307 10 129° E*5
KNBC DT 36 (NBC) SAP Los Angeles KNBC 6308 10 129° E*5
WLS DT 52 (ABC) Chicago WLS 6312 12 129° E*5
WBBM DT 3 (CBS) Chicago WBBM 6313 12 129° E*5
WMAQ DT 29 (NBC) Chicago WMAQ 6314 12 129° E*5
WFLD DT 31 (Fox) Chicago WFLD 6315 12 129° E*5
WKRN DT (ABC) Nashville, TN WKRN 6340 13 129° E*5
WTVF DT (CBS) Nashville, TN WTVF 6341 13 129° E*5
WSMV DT (NBC) Nashville, TN WSMV 6342 13 129° E*5
WZTV DT (Fox) Nashville, TN WZTV 6342 13 129° E*5
WAOW TV 9 (ABC) WAOW 7210 16 129° E*5
WSAW TV 7 (CBS) WSAW 7211 16 129° E*5
WJFW TV 12 (NBC) Rhinelander WJFW 7212 16 129° E*5
WFXS TV 55 (Fox) Wittenberg WFXS 7213 16 129° E*5
WHRM TV 20 (PBS) WHRM 7216 16 129° E*5
KSWO TV 7 (ABC) Lawton, OK KSWO 7860 16 129° E*5
KAUZ TV 6 (CBS) KAUZ 7861 16 129° E*5
KFDX TV 3 (NBC) KFDX 7862 16 129° E*5
KJTL TV 18 (Fox) KJTL 7863 16 129° E*5
KKTM LP 17 (Telemundo) Altus, OK KKTM 7865 16 129° E*5
WDTV TV 5 (CBS) Weston WDTV 7911 16 129° E*5
WBOY TV 12 (NBC) Clarksburg WBOY 7912 16 129° E*5
WJET TV 24 (ABC) WJET 7041 17 129° E*5
WSEE TV 35 (CBS) WSEE 7042 17 129° E*5
WICU TV 12 (NBC) WICU 7043 17 129° E*5
WFXP TV 66 (Fox) WFXP 7044 17 129° E*5
WQLN TV 54 (PBS) WQLN 7047 17 129° E*5
WAHU CA 27 (Fox) WAHU 7932 17 129° E*5
WHTJ TV 41 (PBS) WHTJ 7933 17 129° E*5
KTVX DT (ABC) Salt Lake City, UT KTVX 6371 18 129° E*5
KUTV DT (CBS) Salt Lake City, UT KUTV 6372 18 129° E*5
KSL DT (NBC) Salt Lake City, UT KSL 6373 18 129° E*5
KSTU DT (Fox) Salt Lake City, UT KSTU 6374 18 129° E*5
KTTV DT KTTV 5848 19 129° E*5
KTTV DT 65 (Fox) Los Angeles KTTV 6309 19 129° E*5
WSYX TV 6 (ABC) WSYX 7200 21 129° E*5
WBNS TV 10 (CBS) WBNS 7201 21 129° E*5
WCMH TV 4 (NBC) WCMH 7202 21 129° E*5
WTTE TV 28 (Fox) WTTE 7203 21 129° E*5
WWHO TV 53 (CW) Chillicothe WWHO 7205 21 129° E*5
WOSU TV 34 (PBS) WOSU 7206 21 129° E*5
WSFJ TV 51 ("i"/Rel) Newark WSFJ 7207 21 129° E*5
WOSU TV 34 (PBS) Columbus, OH WPBO 7325 21 129° E*5
WCHS TV 8 (ABC) Charleston WCHS 7315 32 129° E*5
WOWK TV 13 (CBS) Charleston WOWK 7316 32 129° E*5
WSAZ TV 3 (NBC) Huntington WSAZ 7317 32 129° E*5
WVAH TV 11 (Fox) Charleston WVAH 7318 32 129° E*5
WQCW TV 30 (CW) Portsmouth, OH WQCW 7319 32 129° E*5
WPBY TV 33 (PBS) Huntington WPBY 7321 32 129° E*5
WOUB TV 20 (PBS) Athens, OH WOUB 7322 32 129° E*5
WKAS TV 25 (PBS/KET) Ashland, KY WKAS 7324 32 129° E*5
WVFX TV 46 (Fox) Clarksburg WVFX 7913 32 129° E*5
WNPB TV 24 (WVPT/PBS) Morgantown WNPB 7915 32 129° E*5
WVAW LP 16 (ABC) WVAW 7929 32 129° E*5
WCAV TV 19 (CBS) WCAV 7930 32 129° E*5
WVIR TV 29 (NBC) WVIR 7931 32 129° E*5

I calculate (may be wrong) DISH has 2,166 Mbps (38 Mbps x 57 transponders) of Conus bandwidth

110 echostar8/10 19 conus
119 echostar7 16 conus
129 echostar5 22 conus
Total 57

50hd channels would take 16 conus transponders
And the remaining 40 conus transponders
at 3.16Mbps per would produce 480 SD
Channels.

The way I see it, Dish is going to throw allot of conus
HD bandwidth to RSN's and PPV sports.
http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html

echostar 5, 7, 8, 10 (129, 110, 119) channels sorted by transponder (conus)
http://www.powow.com/scorched2/dishtransponder.htm

 

[general487]

Those of us who have "moved" don't like your suggestion!

 

[nazz]

Patience it is comming just not as fast as you want it, the world won't end tomorrow just because you don't have another HD channel to watch.

Oh Yeah?

 

[navychop]

Cute. Oh, how I have been tempted to reply in a similar fashion!

 

[teachsac]

How good is that, nazz!

 

[RVD420]

119 TP 15 is leased to NPS. So don't expect the ATL and SF locals on TP15 to move to a spotbeam.

Don't expect KTLA, WPIX, KWGN, WSBK, or WWOR to move to spot beams as they are Superstations.

As far as 129 the channels you listed are HD locals. Ceil is launching a spot beam bird to 129. Maybe some of the spots will be aimed at the US (129 is a Canadian slot that Dish is leasing some TP space)

 

[JimK2]

119 TP 15 is leased to NPS. So don't expect the ATL and SF locals on TP15 to move to a spotbeam.

Don't expect KTLA, WPIX, KWGN, WSBK, or WWOR to move to spot beams as they are Superstations.

As far as 129 the channels you listed are HD locals. Ceil is launching a spot beam bird to 129. Maybe some of the spots will be aimed at the US (129 is a Canadian slot that Dish is leasing some TP space)

I counted 87 spotbeams on EchoStar X
http://www.lyngsat.com/echo10.html

Pretty sure all transponder on EchoStar 5 (129.0°W) are controlled by DISH

129.0°W EchoStar 5
129.0°W Intelsat Americas 7
http://www.lyngsat.com/echo5.html

EchoStar has had a much easier time winning FCC approval to move the EchoStar 5 satellite into a Canadian orbital slot on behalf of a Canadian start-up company called Ciel Satellite Communications, in which SES Global also has part ownership.

On June 30 the FCC approved the move of EchoStar 5 to Ciel’s Canada-registered 129 degrees west position.

EchoStar 5 will not be used for Canadian broadcasting, but to provide high-definition television programming to EchoStar’s U.S. customers.

However, it will occupy the Canadian orbital position long enough for Ciel to build and launch its own satellite by late 2008.