Any difference in signal of C/KU?

[xtra]

I know the Ku is a narrower signal but can you tell the difference between a Ku signal and a C signal on an analog meter? How slow should I move my dish to find the KU satellites? I have set my dish to the specified angles and still cannot receive T5. Am I destined to buy a Bird Dog meter to identify the signals out there? I have been messing with this for 2 years and I am not as near to finding T5 as I was then. I have even tried various dish elevations. I pick up alot of signals on my Eagle Aspen meter but when I peak a signal it must not be one of the satellites I have programmed in. This is very frustrating to say the least. When I had it connected to my big dish at least I could pick up Rang Rang, and Satmex5. I bought a stand alone motorized KU system because my family aren't into Mpeg2. I thought it was going to be easy to set up and use but I am discouraged now. If anyone can give me some advice I would really appreciate it. No I don't want to sell my equipment, I want to make it work. Thanks.

 

[Mr Tony]

I dont think there is a difference when using a meter

Where are you located (general area) so we can make sure the numbers are right?

 

[xtra]

Location

My location is Halifax ,NC 27839 Last stats I tried were 54 lat dish elevation 24 either I am moving the dish too fast with the motor or I just can't get it right on the Satellite. Some of the signals I get peg the meter and I have to back the gain off and peak some more. I come in the house and move my dish and the highest signal I can get is 67 or 68 . Oh by the way I have a Satwork ST3688. , SG2100 motor and a Winegard 76cm dish. They are plumbed right on. Do you know where I can download a manual for the ST3688? I was on Nimiq 1 a couple months ago and it didn't take much dish movement to lose the signal. I have no idea why I can't find T5. Does the Bird Dog meter work as good as they say they do? I hate to lay out that kind of money but I may have to. Thanks, xtra

 

[Mr Tony]

these are the numbers I get for your location (for T5...no motor)

elevation 43.2
azimuth 220.8
skew is 24.4 (if you are standing in front of the dish, the LNB should be turned counterclockwise)

http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/LNBF-Installation.htm for a picture of the LNB skew

I don't know exactly where you could get a manual. I know there are some people out there with this unit, so they make have a soft copy.

PSB should be able to help with the numbers for the motor...he's the expert on that

 

[PSB]

Your receiver and a small TV are just as good as the Birdog!

Motor Elevation = 54 deg.
Dish Elev. = 24 deg.


Halifax, NC 27839
Latitude 36° 18.294'N Longitude 77° 33.642'W

Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
-------------------------------------------------------------
*** Of Particular Interest ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 154.1 164.4 44.6 -20.6
EchoStar 6 110.0W 227.0 237.3 35.8 36.1
EchoStar 8 110.0W 227.0 237.3 35.8 36.1
EchoStar 7 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0
EchoStar 5 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 238.0 248.3 28.1 43.1
EchoStar 1 148.0W 258.1 268.4 7.0 52.1
EchoStar 2 148.0W 258.1 268.4 7.0 52.1
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.7 274.0 -0.2 53.2

DirecTV 3 81.8W 187.1 197.4 47.6 5.7
DirecTV 2 100.8W 216.0 226.3 41.2 28.2
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 216.0 226.3 41.2 28.2
DirecTV 1 101.0W 216.2 226.5 41.1 28.4
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 216.5 226.8 41.0 28.6
DirecTV 6 109.8W 226.8 237.1 35.9 36.0
DirecTV 5 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0

*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 154.1 164.4 44.6 -20.6
Rainbow 1 61.5W 154.1 164.4 44.6 -20.6
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 156.3 166.6 45.1 -18.9
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 159.4 169.7 45.8 -16.5
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 167.4 177.7 47.1 -10.2
Nahuel 1 71.8W 170.3 180.6 47.4 -7.8
AMC 6 72.0W 170.7 181.0 47.5 -7.5
Galaxy 12 74.0W 174.0 184.3 47.7 -4.8
SBS 6 74.0W 174.0 184.3 47.7 -4.8
GOES 12 75.0W 175.7 186.0 47.8 -3.5
AMC 5 79.0W 182.4 192.7 47.8 2.0
DirecTV 3 81.8W 187.1 197.4 47.6 5.7
Nimiq 2 82.0W 187.5 197.8 47.6 6.0
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 190.8 201.1 47.3 8.7
XM Roll 85.0W 192.4 202.7 47.1 10.0
AMC 9 85.0W 192.4 202.7 47.1 10.0
AMC 3 87.0W 195.7 206.0 46.7 12.6
Galaxy 9 91.0W 202.0 212.3 45.5 17.6
Galaxy 11 91.0W 202.0 212.3 45.5 17.6
Nimiq 1 91.0W 202.0 212.3 45.5 17.6
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 203.5 213.8 45.2 18.7
Telstar 6 93.0W 205.0 215.3 44.8 19.9
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 207.9 218.3 44.0 22.2
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 207.9 218.3 44.0 22.2
Telstar 5 97.0W 210.8 221.1 43.1 24.4
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 212.2 222.5 42.6 25.4
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 213.6 223.9 42.2 26.5
DirecTV 2 100.8W 216.0 226.3 41.2 28.2
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 216.0 226.3 41.2 28.2
AMC 4 101.0W 216.2 226.5 41.1 28.4
DirecTV 1 101.0W 216.2 226.5 41.1 28.4
AMSC 1 101.1W 216.3 226.7 41.1 28.5
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 216.5 226.8 41.0 28.6
AMC 1 103.0W 218.8 229.1 40.0 30.3
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 219.4 229.7 39.8 30.8
AMC 2 105.0W 221.2 231.6 38.9 32.1
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 221.2 231.6 38.9 32.1
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 221.2 231.6 38.9 32.1
MSAT 1 106.5W 223.0 233.3 38.0 33.4
Anik F1 107.3W 224.0 234.3 37.5 34.0
Anik E1 109.2W 226.1 236.4 36.3 35.5
DirecTV 6 109.8W 226.8 237.1 35.9 36.0
EchoStar 6 110.0W 227.0 237.3 35.8 36.1
EchoStar 8 110.0W 227.0 237.3 35.8 36.1
Anik E2R 111.1W 228.2 238.5 35.1 36.9
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 230.2 240.5 33.8 38.3
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 232.2 242.5 32.5 39.5
XM Rock 115.0W 232.3 242.6 32.4 39.6
SatMex 5 116.8W 234.1 244.4 31.2 40.7
Anik E2 118.7W 235.9 246.2 29.8 41.8
DirecTV 5 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0
EchoStar 7 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0
EchoStar 5 119.0W 236.2 246.5 29.6 42.0
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 238.0 248.3 28.1 43.1
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 239.8 250.1 26.7 44.1
Galaxy 5 125.0W 241.5 251.8 25.2 45.1
Galaxy 12 125.0W 241.5 251.8 25.2 45.1
Galaxy 13 127.0W 243.1 253.4 23.6 46.0
Telstar 7 129.0W 244.7 255.0 22.1 46.8
Satcom C3 131.0W 246.3 256.6 20.5 47.6
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 247.8 258.1 19.0 48.3
Satcom C4 135.0W 249.3 259.6 17.4 48.9
GOES 10 135.5W 249.7 260.0 17.0 49.1
AMC 7 137.0W 250.7 261.0 15.8 49.5
AMC 8 139.0W 252.1 262.4 14.2 50.1
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 254.2 264.5 11.8 50.8
EchoStar 1 148.0W 258.1 268.4 7.0 52.1
EchoStar 2 148.0W 258.1 268.4 7.0 52.1
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 260.0 270.3 4.6 52.5
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 260.0 270.3 4.6 52.5
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.7 274.0 -0.2 53.2

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[Mr Tony]

thank you Pete

 

[ken2400]

What kind of dish are you using?
Are you sure the receiver is working?
Do you have 18" dish and LNBF to check it on say 91W? This would be 6 deg east of IA5(T5) BUT would give a starting point on where to point the other dish.

Meter get to the ballpark so some movement is needed from there.

Good luck and keep us posted.

I know the Ku is a narrower signal but can you tell the difference between a Ku signal and a C signal on an analog meter? How slow should I move my dish to find the KU satellites? I have set my dish to the specified angles and still cannot receive T5. Am I destined to buy a Bird Dog meter to identify the signals out there? I have been messing with this for 2 years and I am not as near to finding T5 as I was then. I have even tried various dish elevations. I pick up alot of signals on my Eagle Aspen meter but when I peak a signal it must not be one of the satellites I have programmed in. This is very frustrating to say the least. When I had it connected to my big dish at least I could pick up Rang Rang, and Satmex5. I bought a stand alone motorized KU system because my family aren't into Mpeg2. I thought it was going to be easy to set up and use but I am discouraged now. If anyone can give me some advice I would really appreciate it. No I don't want to sell my equipment, I want to make it work. Thanks.

 

[xtra]

Yes the receiver is working because I can pick up other satellites. I picked one up the other day that had 900+ channels but they were scrambled. I have a 76cm dish a Winegard and a standard lnbf.

 

[xtra]

What is the best way to find the degrees with a compass? I have a handheld compass and it is real difficult to actually tell what degrees I'm on by looking at the compass and guessing.

 

[PSB]

Maybe time to invest in a new compass/inclinometer? They can be a GREAT help!

http://www.satelliteguys.us/forumdisplay.php?f=58

 

[xtra]

I found My inclinometer and I found out the markings on the motor and dish are just an approximate. Maybe now I can find T5 and the rest. Which is the farthest south sat to me? lat 36 long 77

 

[PSB]

Sat Name / Sat / Lng Az(t) / Az(m) / El / Skew


AMC 5 / 79.0W / 182.4 / 192.7 / 47.8 / 2.0

 

[xtra]

THanks for the info. I will tune my dish tomorrow and let you know how it comes out.

 

[ken2400]

Thanks for the update. OK if you look at the channel names and list some them here we might be able to say which sat you were pointed at. With this info you can know which direction to move the dish to find T5.

Yes the receiver is working because I can pick up other satellites. I picked one up the other day that had 900+ channels but they were scrambled. I have a 76cm dish a Winegard and a standard lnbf.