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Greetings everyone. This is my first post on SatelliteGuys. My name is Tom and I very new to this hobby. I have in the past been a DirectTV subscriber and I'd probably still be with them had they not burned me. But that's another subject.


I have been researching this FTA stuff on and off for a while. My interests were re-sparked a month ago with an article in Monitoring Times magazine titled “Do-It-Yourself Satellite Radio” written by Ken Reitz, KS4ZR. I listen to a lot of radio both local and distant AM stations as well as shortwave. I know that shortwave stations such as Deutsche Welle and Radio Netherlands among others are on FTA satellite. I'm ready to explore this new world of FTA but I do have a few unanswered questions some of you fine folks might be able to answer. So here goes.


Dish size – Most sites I look at offer an 80cm dish as “standard” and 90cm an an “upgrade”. Some mention that the 90cm Ku dish is “recommended” for people living in the northeast and northwest portions of the U.S. I live in central New Mexico, Albuquerque to be precise. Would an 80cm dish perform adequately in my location? The difference in cost is only $20 or so to go with a 90cm. Cost is not an issue, my two concerns are WAF and wind loads. It can get pretty windy here especially in the spring. I will be motorizing the dish is that makes a difference in your recommendations.


NASA TV – I love watching NASA TV during shuttle missions. I usually watch on my computer but the quality isn't the best. Plus it's less comfortable then being in my recliner or on the couch in my home theater room. I understand that the Dish Networks bird @ 119W broadcasts NASA TV FTA. I also understand that being a DBS satellite the polarization is circular. I'm thinking that I need to use something like an Invacom QPH-031 LNB and a switch so I can receive linear and circular polarized signals at the same time. Am I on the right path? Also this particular model has 2 extra ports that I probably won't be using. Is there another LNB model that only has one linear and one circular output?


Sports – I love watching the NFL. In fact that was one of my main reasons for going with DirectTV due to their NFL Sunday ticket offering. Well I don't have that anymore. Are there NFL viewing opportunities on FTA?


Satellite angle – This is a curiosity question. Let's say for my location I need to angle my dish @ 45 degrees according to one of the many calculators on the web. Being that the dish uses an offset LNB is the satellite actually a little higher than that?


Re-using an old DBS dish – I have an old Sony 18” dish that I've used for many years with DirecTV. I'd like to have satellite radio hooked up to a 2 channel stereo in my home office. Can I get an inexpensive or second hand receiver, hook it up to my old 18” dish and get the music channels for my stereo? Alternatively I'd like to substitute a FTA computer card for the receiver. Do any of these PC cards work with Linux? For this home office setup I'm interested in audio only.


Too good to be true? - I'm very skeptical of “deals” I see on the internet. Usually if something seems too good to be true it usually is. I'm looking at Pansat receivers. Specifically the 3500 SD because of it's features and it has component output for my flat screen LCD. I read that there are lots of Pansat clones out there. I want to get the best deal I can but don't want to wind up with an inferior product. Any suggestions? Also, what other receivers should I be looking at that are in the same class as the Pansat 3500?


I know that there are a lot of questions here. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.


Tom
 
Greetings everyone. This is my first post on SatelliteGuys. My name is Tom and I very new to this hobby. I have in the past been a DirectTV subscriber and I'd probably still be with them had they not burned me. But that's another subject.
welcome :wave to Satelliteguys! Great to have you here :)

I have been researching this FTA stuff on and off for a while. My interests were re-sparked a month ago with an article in Monitoring Times magazine titled “Do-It-Yourself Satellite Radio” written by Ken Reitz, KS4ZR. I listen to a lot of radio both local and distant AM stations as well as shortwave. I know that shortwave stations such as Deutsche Welle and Radio Netherlands among others are on FTA satellite. I'm ready to explore this new world of FTA but I do have a few unanswered questions some of you fine folks might be able to answer. So here goes.
I like you already (no not that way) :D I enjoy shortwave, FTA, and the distant TV & radio signals too :)

Dish size – Most sites I look at offer an 80cm dish as “standard” and 90cm an an “upgrade”. Some mention that the 90cm Ku dish is “recommended” for people living in the northeast and northwest portions of the U.S. I live in central New Mexico, Albuquerque to be precise. Would an 80cm dish perform adequately in my location? The difference in cost is only $20 or so to go with a 90cm. Cost is not an issue, my two concerns are WAF and wind loads. It can get pretty windy here especially in the spring. I will be motorizing the dish is that makes a difference in your recommendations.
an 80cm dish would be fine. I use a 76cm dish in Minnesota and get 99% of the signals. The bigger dish might help with those South American satellites that like to beam partially into the southern US

NASA TV – I love watching NASA TV during shuttle missions. I usually watch on my computer but the quality isn't the best. Plus it's less comfortable then being in my recliner or on the couch in my home theater room. I understand that the Dish Networks bird @ 119W broadcasts NASA TV FTA. I also understand that being a DBS satellite the polarization is circular. I'm thinking that I need to use something like an Invacom QPH-031 LNB and a switch so I can receive linear and circular polarized signals at the same time. Am I on the right path? Also this particular model has 2 extra ports that I probably won't be using. Is there another LNB model that only has one linear and one circular output?
you can add a simple DBS LNB for 119. yes NASA is free along with Angel One and the audio channels (mono & CD ones). I have 2 LNB's on my setup. One KU and one DBS.

Sports – I love watching the NFL. In fact that was one of my main reasons for going with DirectTV due to their NFL Sunday ticket offering. Well I don't have that anymore. Are there NFL viewing opportunities on FTA?
yep. There are 3 Fox stations on KU Band so you may get some extra games. C-Band (6 foot or larger dish) has some more but you'd really have to turn on the charm for the WAF ;)

Satellite angle – This is a curiosity question. Let's say for my location I need to angle my dish @ 45 degrees according to one of the many calculators on the web. Being that the dish uses an offset LNB is the satellite actually a little higher than that?
Each angle is different due to location of satellite and you. The satellite at the same longitude as you will be the highest in the sky. Being in NM your elevatinos are MUCh higher than me in MN. Your true south satellite (the one at the same longitude as you) will be probably near 50 elevation whereas in MN its only 38 degrees here. Yes the dishes asre offset sdo they look at 22-27 degrees higher than the dish shows. One of my dishes faces the house yet it gets a great signal :)

Re-using an old DBS dish – I have an old Sony 18” dish that I've used for many years with DirecTV. I'd like to have satellite radio hooked up to a 2 channel stereo in my home office. Can I get an inexpensive or second hand receiver, hook it up to my old 18” dish and get the music channels for my stereo? Alternatively I'd like to substitute a FTA computer card for the receiver. Do any of these PC cards work with Linux? For this home office setup I'm interested in audio only.
yes the 18" dish would be fine for 119. Just aim it there and hook up the receiver and the audio channels (not Sirius) are in the clear.
 
Dish size – Most sites I look at offer an 80cm dish as “standard” and 90cm an an “upgrade”. Some mention that the 90cm Ku dish is “recommended” for people living in the northeast and northwest portions of the U.S. I live in central New Mexico, Albuquerque to be precise. Would an 80cm dish perform adequately in my location? The difference in cost is only $20 or so to go with a 90cm. Cost is not an issue, my two concerns are WAF and wind loads. It can get pretty windy here especially in the spring. I will be motorizing the dish is that makes a difference in your recommendations.
Go with bigger if you can... but only up to a point... I have a 76cm winegard that works fine and dandy, but fades in rain a lot, especially on g10r 123w. I've heard that some massive dishes are bordering on being too heavy for some motors to handle if you go motorized.

NASA TV – I love watching NASA TV during shuttle missions. I usually watch on my computer but the quality isn't the best. Plus it's less comfortable then being in my recliner or on the couch in my home theater room. I understand that the Dish Networks bird @ 119W broadcasts NASA TV FTA. I also understand that being a DBS satellite the polarization is circular. I'm thinking that I need to use something like an Invacom QPH-031 LNB and a switch so I can receive linear and circular polarized signals at the same time. Am I on the right path? Also this particular model has 2 extra ports that I probably won't be using. Is there another LNB model that only has one linear and one circular output?
Yes, definitely the right path... Go with the 4 port... later, you'll be glad you have those extra ports if you install a dvb card in computer to set up your computer as a pvr or if you use the extra ports for another receiver in another room or something...

Sports – I love watching the NFL. In fact that was one of my main reasons for going with DirectTV due to their NFL Sunday ticket offering. Well I don't have that anymore. Are there NFL viewing opportunities on FTA?
I think so, but am not a huge sports fan, so others may be able to answer better... there are lots of college games on I think... also, live feeds are nice for stuff like superbowl.

Re-using an old DBS dish – I have an old Sony 18” dish that I've used for many years with DirecTV. I'd like to have satellite radio hooked up to a 2 channel stereo in my home office. Can I get an inexpensive or second hand receiver, hook it up to my old 18” dish and get the music channels for my stereo? Alternatively I'd like to substitute a FTA computer card for the receiver. Do any of these PC cards work with Linux? For this home office setup I'm interested in audio only.
Yes, 18 inch will work if all you want is audio off of an echostar (dish network) or bev (bell express vu - Canada's version of dish network) satellite... but going with a bigger dish will be nicer, especially if you hook up a motor so that you can get other stuff besides the echostars and bevs... For going to sterio, you'll need to make sure your speakers or radio or whatever can take dolby digital with the right kind of hookups... If going via dvb card in computer, you should be ok, I think since most dvb card programs convert the dolby in to normal speaker signals that work in computer sound cards...

Too good to be true? - I'm very skeptical of “deals” I see on the internet. Usually if something seems too good to be true it usually is. I'm looking at Pansat receivers. Specifically the 3500 SD because of it's features and it has component output for my flat screen LCD. I read that there are lots of Pansat clones out there. I want to get the best deal I can but don't want to wind up with an inferior product. Any suggestions? Also, what other receivers should I be looking at that are in the same class as the Pansat 3500?
Pansat 3500sd is great... that sd card is really nice for moving files between receiver and computer.

If you do go computer with the 4 port lnb that does L and C... you can hook up like I did and have one L and C go to one switch then to motor and then to receiver and then have other L and C go to second switch then to dvb card in computer (I use DVB World USB Box)... that way the computer and box both are receiving both L and C on both H and V... if you go from lnb to motor to box and that box's IF Out to computer then the computer can only see the H or the V depending on whatever the fta box is set on at that point in time...

I use my computer as a pvr to record mpg files that I later burn to dvd since my wife has to work on weekends but I don't... that way we can watch movies together off of rtn and fox stations on g10r later... it works like a high powered vcr sort of that takes a little hand holding to cut out commercials... If you are interested in dvb cards to do similar sort of stuff, going straight from lnb to computer on two of those ports is pretty important... actually you could just put it on the L and forget about second switch... but it is nice having both L and C on both pansat and the dvb world box in case I want stuff on Echostars or Bev (music, Nasa, etc.) on either...
 
Thanks for the warm welcome and the great advice. I can't wait to get started.

BTW - The company I work for is located in Chaska MN.
 
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I think it's going to be a good choice unless someone convinces me otherwise. I hear sirens and see red flashing lights when I see deals like this though. PANSAT 3500SD FTA DIGITAL SATELLITE RECEIVER - BRAND NEW IN FACTORY BOX
Does anyone know if this company is legit? Sounds fishy to me.
:welcome

I would get the Pansat from Mike Kohl at Global Communications:

http://www.global-cm.net/

He also has everything else you need and could give you the best advice on which dish motor etc combo to use in your area for the best results. I bought my Pansat 2700A from Mike. There drop shipped from Panarex (the manufacturer) in California so you know it's brand new.

Once you get into Ku FTA your next step will be to put up a BUD (big dish) There are tons more FTA channels on C band.:)
 
:D I enjoy shortwave, FTA, and the distant TV & radio signals too :)


Hey Ice, I've been DXing Tv and radio since about 1970. I got some great Tv DXing done in the late 70's to middle 80's. I got stations from over 1000 miles away on low band VHF. One night in the early 80's I thought I had cable tv (cable wasn't in town yet) I was getting just about every channel number from 2-69 with some stuff from Canada. It was alot of fun:)
 
The 3500sd is one of the receivers on the short list I'd recommend you look at.
That price sure is attractive for that unit.
I use my American Express card for such purchases, and don't even worry about being taken.

I got a Mercury II from a Canadian firm a few months ago.
It's another receiver on my short list.
Close-out price was around $82? US, delivered to California.
The whole thing is documented in another thread. (sold out)

A lot of the guys on the forum got a killer price on the Coolsat 5000 last year.
More recently, some of us got a lesser-know receiver for under $40
Bargains do happen.
If you are concerned, do some web-searching for the dealer's name and see if there's any negative info about him.

All the name brand receivers mentioned above have blind-scan, and are well though of units - they come highly recommended.

Welcome aboard.

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Oh, I knew I forgot something -
Consider using your 18" dish alone for the radio channels.
And use a cheap FTA receiver , not your computer.
If you insist on getting a DVB card (satellite receiver on a PCI card) or a USB box, you can get help in our PC DVB Discussion area.
I've got both, and keeping 'em separate is useful; not having to learn the nuances of the DVB card setup, will add years to your life. :)
 
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