There is an indication that the 522 may have existed since January 2002. I am surprised that nobody had caught this before but I did when I looked through the 522 manual for something tonight at a friend's house. I seen different screens that indicated in the pictures the date of 2002 in them. Just look at page 49 (1/22/02), page 75 (March 3, 2002) (feel sorry for Bob Jones having his phone number given up unless that phone number was setup temporarily - they could have used a Dish Network phone number), page 76 (January 22, 2002) and I noticed how it indicated on the same screen in one of the pictures that someone went to create a timer from the EPG about 2 or 3 weeks later than what it indicates the current time is (which may have been an indication that someone had a larger hard drive in that particular receiver or it was beefed up, probably used by Charlie and Co themselves). They do get to use these products before we do, Charlie even admitted it himself. I wonder what they could be using right now since they have stuff in use that they are using 1-2 years before we ever see it or hear about it.