It's been about 10 days now , and , I think the best way for me to solve locating these 2 birds is to consult the experts here , and make sure I have all the correct info. I have a 39" dish with an sg2100 motor , and an openbox receiver , as well as a visionsat [ yup , I tried both ] . I have located sats from 72w to 97w and sats inbetween with no problem [ motor or manual ]. Just to be sure , I also have a manual dish [ 36" ] , and can locate all of these as well. However , 123/125 have been totally elusive to either dish. I am using a circular lnbf . 1- is this the correct lnb ? 2- Is the correct lnb setting 9750/10600 ? On 125 I am using 12180 tp to locate the bird, is this correct ? I know where they should be , but , no luck yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.