i currently have a seperate dish 500 dish pointed at each of the 119, 110 & 61.5 sats, (for signal strength and spot beam reasons). would i be able to use the dish that is pointed at the 119 and also pick up the 118.75 if i were to get a different lnb for it or will i have to get a dish 500+, if so, why? thanks, pajer
118.75 & 119 Together?
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The DBS and FSS satellite frequencies, polarities, and transmit powers are different.
(1) The DBS uses 12.2 - 12.7 GHz, RH and LH Circular Polarity, high power for a small dish, with satellites no closer than 9 degrees apart.
(2) The FSS uses 11.7 - 12.2 GHz, Horizontal and Vertical Linear Polarity, low power for a bigger dish, but satellites closer together.
(3) Most Dish Network satellites for home TV are as (1) above, except for 105 and 121 which are (2) above.
(4) Now they threw in a new bird at 118.7 that is like a (2) above, except it has Circular Polarity.
Therefore, for 105, 121, and 118.7 you would need a larger dish than the Dish 500, and a different LNBF. However, some have reported modifying various LNBF's. Also, some have reported using a INVACOM LNBF with favorable results.
(1) The DBS uses 12.2 - 12.7 GHz, RH and LH Circular Polarity, high power for a small dish, with satellites no closer than 9 degrees apart.
(2) The FSS uses 11.7 - 12.2 GHz, Horizontal and Vertical Linear Polarity, low power for a bigger dish, but satellites closer together.
(3) Most Dish Network satellites for home TV are as (1) above, except for 105 and 121 which are (2) above.
(4) Now they threw in a new bird at 118.7 that is like a (2) above, except it has Circular Polarity.
Therefore, for 105, 121, and 118.7 you would need a larger dish than the Dish 500, and a different LNBF. However, some have reported modifying various LNBF's. Also, some have reported using a INVACOM LNBF with favorable results.
favorable? How about dang near non existant. I can get the test card at like 10% quality on the FTA receiver.
I thought the 118.7 was linear polarity... (i could be wrong on that)
unless you feel like tinkering and messing with it forver just get a Dish 500+... it will save a lot of time, frustration, and probably money in the long run
unless you feel like tinkering and messing with it forver just get a Dish 500+... it will save a lot of time, frustration, and probably money in the long run
The dish for 118.75 is quite huge. Seems at least twice as large as a dish500. Maybe more. We only get low seventies signal wise as well (out of 125). Its a solution but not a very good one.
birddoggy said:
it uses the KU band frequencies (11.7-12.2) but its circular polarity (normal KU is linear)
You shouldn't rush to post in this response.birddoggy said:
Especially Pepper and myself DID the linear LNBF mods and got RESULTS.
pajer,
The jury has spoken.
It appears space is not a problem for you (and money is just as available), so you should buy yourself a Dish 500+, even if you only use it for 118.7.
, but I would almost swear I've read somewhere that one of the INVACOM LNBF was tried and provided some sort of signal; maybe it had to be modified also.
Bottom line - I believe he now knows why.
Thanks all.
SW
The jury has spoken.
It appears space is not a problem for you (and money is just as available), so you should buy yourself a Dish 500+, even if you only use it for 118.7.
I believe I meant to say "some results" instead of "favorable results". I really don't remember
, but I would almost swear I've read somewhere that one of the INVACOM LNBF was tried and provided some sort of signal; maybe it had to be modified also.Bottom line - I believe he now knows why.
Thanks all.
SW
scooby2 said:
It's not that big--it's smaller than a SuperDISH. The FCC filing for AMC-16 and its future replacement calls for a dish that is 26 inches and shaped somewhat more wide than tall. In contrast the average diameter of a Dish 500 is 24" and is more tall than wide. A typical non-DBS or "FTA" dish is 30 inches avg. diameter and is also more tall than wide.
The bird at 118.7 is operating in a very unique and high-powered mode. Even though it is in the the "lower" part of the FSS band it is broadcasting at a very high power compared to other non-DBS satellites. Not quite as powerful as DBS but much more than traditional lower-FSS birds like those at 105, 121, etc.
This is also why Dish 500+/1000+ are not as large as SuperDISH, either.
To make matters better the use of circular polarity allows for the higher power so that dishes aimed at other "lower-FSS" adjacent satellites are not interfered with.
Smith said:You shouldn't rush to post in this response.
Especially Pepper and myself DID the linear LNBF mods and got RESULTS.
I just put in my 2cents because I don't think it is worth it in the long run for MOST people to be out there modding their dish setup... Is it possible, sure why not... anything is possible... with enough time and tinkering i'm sure somebody somewhere could pick up the satellite with an lnb duct taped to a trashcan lid...would i recommend it, hell no
I believe in doing things right the first time and avoiding the frustration and time it would take to mod your setup, when there is an option available through dish that works just fine, thats what I would recommend
If you want to play with it, thats fine... but just know that you could use the a 500+ to do exactly what you want to do, without the frustration
Actually, I should narrowed my response that time - it was about 118.75W satellite polarization only.
Although I caught that when I read your post, it did take me a couple of mintues to realize you were only refering to the polarity.Smith said:
I agree with your whole post. :upbirddoggy said:
Without looking back, the OP asked about dish size and LNBF, but also WHY NOT. Since he was from PA, I figured he could read and had been reading too much, so I wanted to give him enough info before he went shopping. Looking back, at the end of my first post I should had recommended the Dish 500+/1000+ even though he seems to go with the "one bird, one dish" concept.
Garbage can and LNBF.... Probably not me, but maybe one day I'll try a garbage can lid and LNBF!
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Find Scott's review of Dish 500+ and 1000+ dishes here - everytning what you need to know is there.
yeah, the Dish 500+ and 1000+ comes with the combined LNB that picks up both the 118.7 and 119...
But it is really the same as two LNBF's in a single housing, so you still have 1 connector for 119, and a second connector for 118.7.
To get one, you currently have to buy the Dish 500+ or 1000+.
To get one, you currently have to buy the Dish 500+ or 1000+.
