And another curve ball for ya is that most FSS Ku band satellites are linear polarization but the one Dish uses at 118 is circular polarization. What that means is that normal FSS LNB's won't work for it and the Dish LNB for 118 is the only one that I know of that's FSS band and circularly polarized. That LNB will only work with a Dish 500+ or a Dish 1000+ so AFAIK kludging together a different solution would extremely difficult at best.